Koran burning in reaction to 9/11

[Rainmaker]

No, they burn everyone else's books and effigies of their leaders, and hold up signs wishing death to the West and so on.

There was a quite large protest in London of all places where such things were happening, outrageous.

(I'm not saying the people doing that were representative of all Muslims of course, just like this American chimp isn't representative of anyone else)

Exactly what I was saying above. Some Muslims protest by burning bibles, just as this Pastor is burning the Qur'an. Both are equally reprehensible imho. Until you can respect every fellow human being as your equal and your neighbour, religion being irrelevant in the equation, we're never going to progress.

I'd call myself religious in a sense, but I'm not Christian or Muslim. I have a Buddhist/Spiritualist background, and in my eyes no god would ever agree with any of this nonsense (on both sides). In fact I think any such god would be facepalming on a daily basis watching the things thought, said an done in his name.

 

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[DAnDan]

Exactly what I was saying above. Some Muslims protest by burning bibles, just as this Pastor is burning the Qur'an. Both are equally reprehensible imho. Until you can respect every fellow human being as your equal and your neighbour, religion being irrelevant in the equation, we're never going to progress.

I'd call myself religious in a sense, but I'm not Christian or Muslim. I have a Buddhist/Spiritualist background, and in my eyes no god would ever agree with any of this nonsense (on both sides). In fact I think any such god would be facepalming on a daily basis watching the things thought, said an done in his name.

Any god that's caring and loving about his creations would not just be facepalming, but stepping in to stop the suffering and hate caused at the hand of his creations, in his name. Yet I see no such act .

Random thought for you, nothing more .

 

[Vita]

Vita, fair enough. As I said I was merely soliciting your opinion and playing devil's advocate (interesting phrase given the nature of the thread, no? ). BTW I have seen Muslim protests on TV where they burned Christian bibles and UK/US flags - hence my comparison to the Pastor's "protest". Neither is right imho, for the record.

I can't talk for all the Muslims as you know, neither do the pastor or you guys represent all the people who live in the UK or have the same religion as you.

Islam is about peace, (you have probably heard that about 10000 times by now). It is a very strict religion too. Just because someone is a Muslim, doesn't mean they will go to heaven. It's up to God. Even saying or thinking, damn I've done bad things I might go hell, is not right.

I haven't seen any of these protests regarding burning the bible or other books, however I have seen the US flags, and effergys of George bush. This was after 9/11 and the war in Afghanistan/Iraq. You could understand that people are angry, but yes it isn't the right way to go about things.

But my question is this, where are flags/effergys, and then where are holy books? The importance and level of difference is drastic.

It surprises me some people think burning the Qur'an wouldn't cause uproar. I hope they don't go ahead with it tbh.

 

[Vita]

Any god that's caring and loving about his creations would not just be facepalming, but stepping in to stop the suffering and hate caused at the hand of his creations, in his name. Yet I see no such act .

Random thought for you, nothing more .

And it is on that level of thinking, I commented about why they are probably going ahead with it, to see if their is a "God" and if Islam is the "right religion", because surly, if it was, God would come and strike them all down for burning his book/word.

Do you guys now understand where I was coming from?

 

[Rainmaker]

Any god that's caring and loving about his creations would not just be facepalming, but stepping in to stop the suffering and hate caused at the hand of his creations, in his name. Yet I see no such act .

Random thought for you, nothing more .

You're presuming that such a god would be either capable or willing to do such a thing. There are many reasons for either or both scenarios, outside of mainstream religion, but this thread isn't the place for such a discussion. Too OT.

 

[Robbo]

It surprises me some people think burning the Qur'an wouldn't cause uproar. I hope they don't go ahead with it tbh.

Of course it will, that is why they are doing it.

Muslim's allow themselves to get upset over very silly things like this. They are fast to dish it out, but cant ever take it.

Its a mass produced paper copy of the Qur'an, being burned by some wierdo, Muslim's shouldn't let it bother them.

 

[DAnDan]

You're presuming that such a god would be either capable or willing to do such a thing. There are many reasons for either or both scenarios, outside of mainstream religion, but this thread isn't the place for such a discussion. Too OT.

Indeed, I wasn't intending to start a discussion on that, merely posting a random thought from a late-night brain while reading through the rest of the thread.

 

[Twentyone]

Any god that's caring and loving about his creations would not just be facepalming, but stepping in to stop the suffering and hate caused at the hand of his creations, in his name. Yet I see no such act .

Random thought for you, nothing more .

Without evil there would be no good!

Random thought

 

[Rainmaker]

And it is on that level of thinking, I commented about why they are probably going ahead with it, to see if their is a "God" and if Islam is the "right religion", because surly, if it was, God would come and strike them all down for burning his book/word.

Do you guys now understand where I was coming from?

I know where you're coming from, I just disagree. The Qur'an, Christian bible and many others have doubtless been burned a million times over in the past with no striking down occurring on either side. If there is a God, it'd seem to me that they'd be fighting over the same entity in a different name anyway. If he was going to step in, he'd have done it by now.

It's like fighting with "my dad's bigger than your dad" failing to take into account that you're brothers; and as such have the same father.

 

[DAnDan]

And it is on that level of thinking, I commented about why they are probably going ahead with it, to see if their is a "God" and if Islam is the "right religion", because surly, if it was, God would come and strike them all down for burning his book/word.

Do you guys now understand where I was coming from?

I'm not quite sure what point you're actually trying to make here? Religious people shouldn't expect any help/acknowledgement from their god?

Edit - I VERY much doubt they are burning it to "test" if the muslim god will attack them (feel free to prove me wrong though if they've said so), it's just a symbol of their hatred for a different brand of religion.

 

[Vita]

Of course it will, that is why they are doing it.

Muslim's allow themselves to get upset over very silly things like this. They are fast to dish it out, but cant ever take it.

Its a mass produced paper copy of the Qur'an, being burned by some wierdo, Muslim's shouldn't let it bother them.

You may think it's a silly thing, but for Muslims it isn't. Muslims are very passionate about their religious beliefs. It means a lot to them, and if people know this, then I think they shouldn't go ahead with it.

If I didn't let it bother me, I wouldn't be in this thread.

 

[DAnDan]

You may think it's a silly thing, but for Muslims it isn't. Muslims are very passionate about their religious beliefs. It means a lot to them, and if people know this, then I think they shouldn't go ahead with it.

If I didn't let it bother me, I wouldn't be in this thread.

And until people can let things go, and stop getting so wound up about something as dull as some paper being burnt, we'll never leave this cycle of religious violence.

 

[Vita]

I know where you're coming from, I just disagree. The Qur'an, Christian bible and many others have doubtless been burned a million times over in the past with no striking down occurring on either side. If there is a God, it'd seem to me that they'd be fighting over the same entity in a different name anyway. If he was going to step in, he'd have done it by now.

It's like fighting with "my dad's bigger than your dad" failing to take into account that you're brothers; and as such have the same father.

This is the first I've heard of this sort of thing tbh. I never heard of burning holy books before. Suicide bombs/honour killings and stuff, I had heard of.

 

[DAnDan]

This is the first I've heard of this sort of thing tbh. I never heard of burning holy books before. Suicide bombs/honour killings and stuff, I had heard of.

You've never seen/heard of a bible being burnt in a muslim country? Really?

 

[Rainmaker]

This is the first I've heard of this sort of thing tbh. I never heard of burning holy books before. Suicide bombs/honour killings and stuff, I had heard of.

A quick Google reveals more incidents of Muslims burning bibles, urinating on them and burning Christian churches than I care to quote. As I said, it's wrong for anyone to do.

 

[Vita]

You've never seen/heard of a bible being burnt in a muslim country? Really?

Honestly I haven't. Never have. If I had, I would say so. But for them to do that is wrong, just as bad as the pastor and he hasn't even done it yet. I just hope he doesn't do it. I think I've said enough now. Sorry if I offended anyone with my statements, I'm only trying to explain about Islam and trying to teach others that it isn't a bad violent crazed way of life/belief/religion.

Thanks for the input, been nice having the little discussion.

 

[Robbo]

You may think it's a silly thing, but for Muslims it isn't. Muslims are very passionate about their religious beliefs. It means a lot to them, and if people know this, then I think they shouldn't go ahead with it.

If I didn't let it bother me, I wouldn't be in this thread.

Where do you stop though, I mean, I could write Qur'an on the front of an Argos book and set fire to it and put it on Youtube.

That would upset you?

I don't think its the book itself, its the fact that someone thinks what you believe is rubbish and should be burned to ash, not the act of the burning of the book itself.

Many people will never, ever agree with your beliefs. It seems to me that many Muslim's believe what they believe to try and push it on everyone else and love being a drama queen in the spotlight of society.

Again, I'm not saying everyone is like that. Just ignore this hillbilly American guy and don't click on the news articles about it, remember there are people who 'represent' your religion doing much worse day in, day out.

 

[Ko0lHaNDLuKe]

It's just going to lead to more suicide bombs and more British soldier' and Afghani civilian' deaths. All because of some foolish red-neck pastor...

 

[Rainmaker]

Honestly I haven't. Never have. If I had, I would say so. But for them to do that is wrong, just as bad as the pastor and he hasn't even done it yet. I just hope he doesn't do it. I think I've said enough now. Sorry if I offended anyone with my statements, I'm only trying to explain about Islam and trying to teach others that it isn't a bad violent crazed way of life/belief/religion.

Thanks for the input, been nice having the little discussion.

Fair play, and likewise. Now you hopefully at least know where we were coming from earlier. Burning religious books isn't a new trend, and much of it was previously practised by Muslims against Christians, Jews etc. This pastor didn't invent the idea, nor is it anything new, unfortunately.

We understand that not all Muslims are mentalists who wish to blow things up. I'd hope that goes without saying! But there is wrong on both sides, and it'd be blind to pretend otherwise. As someone said above, until man truly comes to 'love his neighbour as himself' and forgive instead of retaliating, religious violence will continue as the oxymoron it is.

Goodnight.