Koran burning in reaction to 9/11

[Pygmyshrew]

Islam needs to stop taking itself so seriously! Get over it!

Islam's going through the same religious puberty that Christianity did 800 years ago. We shouldn't forget Islam is still a relatively new religion which is finding its place in the world.

Christians were exactly the same once where they took everything seriously and wanted to kill anyone who disagreed with them, akin to your average angry teenager really.

If you ask me I wish the New World Order would hurry up, grab power and outlaw religion. Religion seems to have caused nothing but pain, death and conflict since well...forever!

 

[Rainmaker]

What is written will disappear, and they will just be burning paper.

As I said last night, I'm all for respecting my fellow man's religious beliefs and spiritual values (provided they abide by a universal reciprocity of respect and love). But how can you state something so emphatically, demonstrably false? I'm pretty sure that should I open a Qur'an to the centre pages and set it alight, the words won't disappear first.

 

[olivier renault]

I wonder where they're going to obtain a supply of Korans from anyway.

I'm sure his local Walmart will be packed for the occasion.

Mr Jones said on Wednesday that he would not cancel the Koran burning, and that his plan to burn the Islamic holy book was intended to draw attention to his belief that "something's wrong."

"It is possibly time for us in a new way to actually stand up, confront terrorism," Mr Jones told reporters outside his church.

Either he is a troll, or an ignorant jackass. It's hard to tell. Maybe both, I vote for troll, whoring to the media like that. But in form of protest and standing up against terrorism, that's as misguided as you can get.

Although, I can think of something else that's been done in the past 10 years, but let's not go there...

 

[Rainmaker]

People seem to have caused nothing but pain, death and conflict since well...forever!

Fixed. Anyone who is causing violence, harm or even discomfort to their fellow man in the name of any religion is 'doing it wrong'.

 

[Castiel]

You might, but most people wouldn't and I wouldn't really encourage it

I need no encouragement...but you're right most people wouldn't.

 

[Zatoichi.uK]

Its odd that in this day and age people feel the need for religion. I can understand it when we didn't know where the sun went at night or had no understanding of seasons, weather etc.

Maybe its just the sense of belonging or the lack of thought needed to explain things that appeals. I'm sure one day we'll look back and laugh at how ridiculous it all is, in like 3752 perhaps. If we have all killed each other by then of course.

 

[Rainmaker]

Its odd that in this day and age people feel the need for religion. I can understand it when we didn't know where the sun went at night or had no understanding of seasons, weather etc.

Maybe its just the sense of belonging or the lack of thought needed to explain things that appeals. I'm sure one day we'll look back and laugh at how ridiculous it all is, in like 3752 perhaps. If we have all killed each other by then of course.

But that statement excludes anything outside of the demonstrable, physical universe(s). I mean, science and progress don't automatically negate the possible existence of a deity. We could be hovering around in our flying saucers and curing cancer with a pill twice a day for a week in a thousand years; but that level of physical advancement doesn't mean there's nothing "out there", whether outside of our universe in some deity/god-like existence or after our physical death etc.

All I'm saying is, you're ironically foolish to dismiss the entirety of man's philosophiocal and religious works simply because we now know a couple of things about the earth and solar system... The inner world remains virtually as unexplored as ever.

 

[Pygmyshrew]

Fixed. Anyone who is causing violence, harm or even discomfort to their fellow man in the name of any religion is 'doing it wrong'.

When you put your stock in a ancient holy book, the contents of which can be interpreted in a hundred different ways theres only one thing thats going to happen... religion does not lend its self well to human nature

 

[Pygmyshrew]

I mean, science and progress don't automatically negate the possible existence of a deity.

But it does tell us that it's very unlikely. Simply putting your fingers in your ears and shouting "You can't prove it, I'm not listening" seems like an easy way out

 

[Vita]

As I said last night, I'm all for respecting my fellow man's religious beliefs and spiritual values (provided they abide by a universal reciprocity of respect and love). But how can you state something so emphatically, demonstrably false? I'm pretty sure that should I open a Qur'an to the centre pages and set it alight, the words won't disappear first.

You never know.

 

[bhavv]

I actually wanted to make a burn a bible / koran / torah day years ago, where any religious text can be burnt

 

[LiamC]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-11248576


Its stuff like this that really ***ks me off! I Feel like going and giving them a piece of my mind !


Z0m9 US Dude wants to burn a silly book, Lets protest.

 

[Cosimo]

I actually wanted to make a burn a bible / koran / torah day years ago, where any religious text can be burnt

What stoppd you?

 

[Rainmaker]

You never know.

Good point! BRB....

 

[bhavv]

What stoppd you?

I didnt want to buy them just to burn them, and thought it would be silly to burn any book in my back yard.

I already have a bible, and burning it would just be a waste as opposed to saving it for emergency toilet paper.

 

[deuse]

Think he'll just be arrested tomorrow and let out on Sunday.

What for?
There are no laws being broken, he is using his first amendment rights.
I can't see what all the fuss is all about.

 

[Castiel]

Islam's going through the same religious puberty that Christianity did 800 years ago. We shouldn't forget Islam is still a relatively new religion which is finding its place in the world.

Christians were exactly the same once where they took everything seriously and wanted to kill anyone who disagreed with them, akin to your average angry teenager really.

If you ask me I wish the New World Order would hurry up, grab power and outlaw religion. Religion seems to have caused nothing but pain, death and conflict since well...forever!

Islam is only 500 years younger than Catholicism and somewhat older than Protestantism.

The problem with Islam is not the religion itself but the culture in which it was borne and where we see radicalism and literal implementation of Sharia we generally also see a cultural preposition toward authoritarian control.

Many of the countries in which radical interpretations of Islam prosper are blighted by poverty and undeveloped education and economic structures. This leads to struggle, Islam lends itself to struggle and militancy rather well and as such those who seek to control the populations of such countries use Islam for their own political aspirations much like Catholicism did in the first half of the last millennia.

What we see currently is in my opinion the precursor to a great schism in Islam, our biggest problem in trying to abate the kind of bloodshed we saw when Christianity had its own is addressing why radicalism is so attractive to huge sections of these populations.

Poverty, Education, access to Medical care and so on. People of whatever faith or creed who are comfortable, have food, money, education and employment do not become terrorists, or indeed feel the need to support those individuals who would use their beliefs for their own political end.

The more we in the West isolate and use these countries and their peoples for our own advantage the worse it will become.

 

[Zatoichi.uK]

But that statement excludes anything outside of the demonstrable, physical universe(s). I mean, science and progress don't automatically negate the possible existence of a deity. We could be hovering around in our flying saucers and curing cancer with a pill twice a day for a week in a thousand years; but that level of physical advancement doesn't mean there's nothing "out there", whether outside of our universe in some deity/god-like existence or after our physical death etc.

All I'm saying is, you're ironically foolish to dismiss the entirety of man's philosophiocal and religious works simply because we now know a couple of things about the earth and solar system... The inner world remains virtually as unexplored as ever.

I haven't dismissed the idea of a deity completely, simply that it seems massively unlikely to me and certainly won't have been explained in any text book written 'x' years ago.

Religion in any of its current forms seems detrimental to the development of our race and its time we let it go. It's outdated concepts simply don't fit anymore, the evidence is very clear. You just have to open your eyes to see it.

 

[Castiel]

When you put your stock in a ancient holy book, the contents of which can be interpreted in a hundred different ways theres only one thing thats going to happen... religion does not lend its self well to human nature

On the contrary, Religion lends itself to Human Nature extremely well, and therein lie the problem.

 

[Rainmaker]

Religion in any of its current forms seems detrimental to the development of our race and its time we let it go. It's outdated concepts simply don't fit anymore, the evidence is very clear. You just have to open your eyes to see it.

To me, that statement just reflects a lack of understanding of many of the world's belief systems. Not all of them demand blind obedience to a jealous god, nor encourage the population to remain in the dark ages. Buddhism for example has a rich canon of psychological texts that is as relevant today (and indeed used by some professionals) as it was 2,500 years ago. You can't tar the entirety of man's belief systems with the same brush.