Koran burning in reaction to 9/11

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Actually we shouldn't be too stressed about muslims...

The west is better as we know, and we are also much more powerful, mature, civilised and developed, so if they step out of line, we can just bomb them like we did with Iraq and Afganistan.
 
Pygmyshrew said:
Only our need to know that when we die we're taken care of the whole higher power being incharge to the point where they can in some cases guide our actions to the point where we can negate responsibility for them. Religion in essence is designed to direct and control, Christianity has always had the Pope as its leader, Islam however is far more fractured and splintered in that respect with no one recognised leader, therein perhaps lies the problem which has led us to this Koran burning eventuality ;)
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Don't know much about religion I see.
 
NeilFawcett said:
I expect people to realise the real finger of blame is not this "1 idiot" but the ??????? people who can't ignore this "1 idiot".

I expect people to realise, once again, people, groups and indeed governments once again have to walk around on egg shells because of Islam, and the cultures that seem to embrace it.

I expect people to realise that Islam and the cultures that embrace it are the real issue, again.
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how about those who choose not to ignore and it use it as a tool to spread more hate towards the west, brainwashing others into doing suicide bombings.

it would be like asking all non muslims to ignore osama and his followers...some will but some will also use it to their advantage to spread hate.
 
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NeilFawcett said:
Yes, the action is itself is utterly daft, but the outcome - once again - is seemingly basically everyone in the world having to run around in circles trying to keep Islam from throwing a tantrum?
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Yeah, can understand what you mean. I'm not going to generalise and paint an entire faith with the same brush because that would be just silly, but it does seem that people have to treat a fairly sizeable portion of Muslims with kid gloves. Or at least that's what the media portrays.
 
TangoSixteen said:
Actually we shouldn't be too stressed about muslims...

The west is better as we know, and we are also much more powerful, mature, civilised and developed, so if they step out of line, we can just bomb them like we did with Iraq and Afganistan.
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^^ You need to be careful with this point, considering what started it all off. Or did you not see those planes flown by peaceful tolerant religious folks go into the buildings?
 
Pygmyshrew said:
No thats not strictly true you only have to look at the number of foreign combatants who've been captured in Iraq and Afganistan to know the religious draw of Islam for some is stronger than the free health care they get in the UK. Make no mistake terrorism is not about poverty or lack of education, when was the last time a starving African attacked another nation with a bomb?
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Rwanda, Congo, Liberia, Sierra Leone need I go on.

My point is that militancy and radicalism is manifested in regions of a certain level of deprivation. Are some more religiously motivated than others, sure they are, as we can see with this Christian gentleman and his bonfire it is not restricted to Islam or even to religion for that matter.

But as a general rule, people with comfortable lives do not want or need to rail against authority or become terrorists. Address the unfair division of wealth and most of the strife in the world including radical terrorism will subside.
 
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Hey to all the muslims out there? Who publishes the Qu'ran? Like which company? Is it many or just one approved by head honcho Allah himself ? I can see it becomming fashionable soon (bit like draw mohammed day) to burn a qu'ran or two and soon demand will be up...

Perhaps this old allah chap is not so dumb after all.. ;)
 
Kazz said:
Yeah, can understand what you mean. I'm not going to generalise and paint an entire faith with the same brush because that would be just silly, but it does seem that people have to treat a fairly sizeable portion of Muslims with kid gloves. Or at least that's what the media portrays.
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Thank you... That's my point...

Why does the president of the United States need to get involved with a nutter burning a couple of dozen books? And there's suggestions that burning a few books may actually result in deaths? And the moronic behaviour is where exactly?
 
thedoc46 said:
Hey to all the muslims out there? Who publishes the Qu'ran? Like which company? Is it many or just one approved by head honcho Allah himself ? I can see it becomming fashionable soon (bit like draw mohammed day) to burn a qu'ran or two and soon demand will be up...

Perhaps this old allah chap is not so dumb after all.. ;)
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Oh hang on, how silly of me... Of course. It's another ploy from the west to get the world against Islam :rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
A bunch of religious idiots burning the religious ramblings of a rival cult?
Shame.
Hopefully it goes wrong and the church burns to the ground.
The other side will have plenty of people die from excitement and american flag burning lols anyway.
 
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TangoSixteen said:
Actually we shouldn't be too stressed about muslims...

so if they step out of line, we can just bomb them like we did with Iraq and Afganistan.
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Western Extremism!!.

If people link suicide bombings to islamic extremism then 'shock and awe' daisy cutter bombings is very much part of western extremism.
 
WingZero30 said:
Western Extremism!!.

If people link suicide bombings to islamic extremism then 'shock and awe' daisy cutter bombings is very much part of western extremism.
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umm well that's what you get when you fly planes into towers.. Didn't your mummy ever tell you?
 
There is absolutely no point for the president of the USA to oppose this, particularly when people actually have the freedom to burn anything they want (and own themselves, without harming others or other peoples property), and yet just a few weeks ago defend the freedom that Muslims have to build their 'Islamic community centre' near ground zero.

Freedom is freedom, as the president of the USA, you cant really support the freedom of one religion to build places of worship, over anothers freedom to burn a different religion's books.

Also, ALL people that actually resort to using the excuse that burning the koran will lead to more terrorism and murders in the name of Islam to oppose this are either cowards, idiots, or both.

Muslims have been burning bibles, and any blasphemous books that they want for long enough and no one bats an eyelid. Then if one christian wants to burn a koran, suddenly it becomes highly offensive and everyone goes crazy over how wrong and bad it is.
 
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bhavv said:
Also, ALL people that actually resort to using the excuse that burning the koran will lead to more terrorism and murders in the name of Islam to oppose this are either cowards, idiots, or both.
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I wouldn't say they're cowards, but just like dealing with a petulant child, it's kind of rewarding it's bad behaviour...

By bending over backwards (again) we're reward this bad behaviour... What will we get in return? The risk is more demands, more often, for more things...
 
Castiel said:
Rwanda, Congo, Liberia, Sierra Leone need I go on.
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This is exactly the point I was making earlier and some good examples; religion is somewhat irrelevant. If no religion existed, we could find other reasons to kill each other (and have done in Rwanda, Japan, ...).

Sorry to self-quote but it seems highly relevant:

[...] no more crazy than killing someone for the colour of their skin, or their ethnic origin. We will *always* be at conflict, that is a fundamental shortcoming of our species, and the justification just varies depending on availability of good excuses.

Religion, ethnicity, wealth, resources, heritage/honour [e.g. Japanese], ...

Strike religion off the list, and there are plenty of other good reasons purveyors of conflict would find to incite their followers to fight on their behalf.
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So if you could eradicate religion from history, we'd be fighting just as much, but for different reasons.
 
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