Koran burning in reaction to 9/11

[Vita]

Did I say some? I said the people who memorize the entire Koran, as the guy speaking in the video you posted speaks of.

Now who is adding words to what someone else posted?

Im not adding any words to what you posted, this is it directly quoted:



And that is a blatant comparison to anyone with half a working brain.



Its my opinion. Because no sane, mentally healthy person would ever choose to memorize an entire holy book.

Ok, fair do's it's your opinion.

My opinion is they're not mental or insane. They are dedicated to what there beliefs are. They are dedicated to Islam, not all people who memorise the Qur'an are terrorists.

How peaceful is Makkah/Medina? The centre, the heart of all Muslims, is the most peaceful place in the world. Islam is about peace, there will always be a bad batch of people, and that's from all religions.

 

[NeilF]

This Muppet is going to cause a s*it storm out in Afghanistan for the troops and people trying to rebuild the country.

Indeed... But let's not loose sight of the 'real muppets?' The ones threating action/violence over some sheets of bound paper...

 

[Amnesia]

Its simply my opinion. Because no sane, mentally healthy person would ever choose to memorize an entire holy book.

depends really....if you are teaching the book every day to islamic students then why not. being able to correct people without having to even look in the book could be pretty useful.

 

[bhavv]

How peaceful is Makkah/Medina? The centre, the heart of all Muslims, is the most peaceful place in the world. Islam is about peace, there will always be a bad batch of people, and that's from all religions.

Excuse me?

ALL non muslims are BANNED from entering Mecca.

You consider that to be peaceful? If an Atheist were to enter Mecca, he / she would end up dead in no time. Fortunately though, they cant.

Or well, of course its the most peaceful place in the world for Muslims, beause there are only Muslims there!

This actually proves the Islamic belief that there will only be peace once everyone is a Muslim.

 

[Yas786]

Poppy ****! That makes no sense!

Is there any flaw in my logic? Am i being unfair anyway in what I'm saying? Or do you simply just not like the conclusion? Or understand the conclusion? Or what you yourself perceive that conclusion to be?

The point simply is we shouldn't have to change behaviour and bend over backwards due to ignorance, and the associated threats.

Its only poppy **** to you because you obviously have a major issue with muslims in general...judging by your past posts...but at least unlike bhavv and a few others in here you dont resort to petty insults.

And your right we shouldnt have to bend over for these extremists and their demands...but i dont and i suggest you dont either...i cant control what the govt or people in positions of authority do ie if they bend over backwards but ill still criticise them as much as i criticise the extremists of my religion.

he doesn't care if you don't but he will scream at the top of his voice that they are being made for you.

these threads just wouldnt be the same without him

Of course they wouldnt...Islam/muslim threads in here just wouldnt be the same would they

 

[Robbo]

Indeed... But let's not loose sight of the 'real muppets?' The ones threating action/violence over some sheets of bound paper...

Exactly.

The soldiers in Afghanistan are already in a warzone against people out to kill them, its not like their insane attitudes are going to get worse or better by what this guy is doing to be honest.

What worries me is that (given how upset and angry many Muslims get over silly things) more of the civilian population will start uprising and join the fight with the terrorists.

I know that could be a stupid thing to think, but it wouldn't surprise me at all.

 

[NeilF]

he doesn't care if you don't but he will scream at the top of his voice that they are being made for you.

these threads just wouldnt be the same without him

"He" I assume is me. Please point out anything I've said that's irrational, unfounded, illogical or unfair... Your antics come across as petty and childish, and bring nothing to the topic(s) in discussion.

 

[Vita]

Excuse me?

ALL non muslims are BANNED from entering Mecca.

You consider that to be peaceful? If an Atheist were to enter Mecca, he / she would end up dead in no time. Fortunately though, they cant.

I know, Non-muslims are not allowed to enter Makkah. That's the Saudi/Govt decision.

I consider Makkah to be peaceful because it's a place of worship, not because people from other religions can't go there.

How could you say he or she would end up dead in no time? Or is that an opinion? I don't know about the procedure if someone who wasn't a Muslim went there, but I don't think they would kill them.

EDIT:

This actually proves the Isalmic belief that there will only be peace once everyone is a Muslim.

Lol no it doesn't. There's also feuds amongst Muslims, look at Shia/Sunni Muslims. Or Radical/Non Radical Muslims.

 

[Yas786]

Why is it that all everyone talks about are the negative contributions of Islam to the world. What about it's contribution to Science, Art, Education, Civilisation. Yes, the Qu'ran and it's attendant religion is devastating and barbaric in the wrong hands, but when it's teaching and ideals are in the right hands it can be used for great good.

This is no different to any religion or secular science. Science in the right hands is a wondrous thing, in the wrong hands it can be horrific. So let's leave the seeping 'all Islam is evil' to one side and deal with the fools who twist it to their own ends.

Because to put it quite simply Castiel none of that matters when you can bash an entire group of people or religion based on what a few of them do in the name of islam etc. In the grand scheme of things it doesnt matter what islam has done for Science, Art, Education and civilisation to a certain extent because it happened a long time ago and now the extremist element are the ones people see who 'represent' our faith...when in reality that isnt the case.

 

[bhavv]

How could you say he or she would end up dead in no time? Or is that an opinion? I don't know about the procedure if someone who wasn't a Muslim went there, but I don't think they would kill them.

Are you serious?

Atheism is illegal and punishable by death under the Sharia Law.

How peaceful indeed

 

[Robbo]

Are you serious?

Atheism is illegal and punishable by death under the Sharia Law.

How peaceful indeed

Is that true? Blimey.

I guess the whole 'Islam is a peaceful religion and we'll kill anyone who says otherwise' rings true in some places then.

 

[Vita]

Are you serious?

Atheism is illegal and punishable by death under the Sharia Law.

How peaceful indeed

Oh is it? I didn't know. Thanks for telling me.

 

[NeilF]

Its only poppy **** to you because you obviously have a major issue with muslims in general...judging by your past posts...but at least unlike bhavv and a few others in here you dont resort to petty insults.

Wrong! I'm afraid (no matter what you or Amnesia say) I don't have an issue with muslims in general.

I have an issue with the kind of (religious) ignorance on display in this story. It just so happens the cultures involved are (once again) Islamic.

Is Islam to blame? Not really... Are the cultures to blame yes!

And your right we shouldnt have to bend over for these extremists and their demands...but i dont and i suggest you dont either...i cant control what the govt or people in positions of authority do ie if they bend over backwards but ill still criticise them as much as i criticise the extremists of my religion.

Well said... But unfortunately the media spins these stories up. It would have been far better if said numpty had just had his little bombfire quietly with no one the wiser...

 

[bhavv]

Is that true? Blimey.

I guess the whole 'Islam is a peaceful religion and we'll kill anyone who says otherwise' rings true in some places then.

You didnt know? Atheism, Apostates (leaving Islam), and Gays = Stoned to death under Sharia law. Oh, and adultery outside of marriage.

All of this is also supported by and written in the Koran.

Spreading any other religion than Islam is also illegal, as is building any places of worship for them.

 

[Robbo]

You didnt know? Atheism, Apostates (leaving Islam), and Gays = Stoned to death under Sharia law. Oh, and adultery outside of marriage.

Joyful bunch of fellows

 

[Yas786]

I know, Non-muslims are not allowed to enter Makkah. That's the Saudi/Govt decision.

I consider Makkah to be peaceful because it's a place of worship, not because people from other religions can't go there.

How could you say he or she would end up dead in no time? Or is that an opinion? I don't know about the procedure if someone who wasn't a Muslim went there, but I don't think they would kill them.

Indeed and i remember quite clearly someone asking on here and i did ask my local imam and he said its down to the Saudi govt who dont let non muslims in...mainly due to the fact that it would be exploited by the West and as the main religious center of islam...thats something that will never ever be tolerated or accepted.

Ignore bhavv...i have...hes just making things up...no one would be killed for trying to enter Mecca unless they really pushed their luck but even then it wouldnt happen...they would just asked to leave or be escorted out.

BTW a non muslim has been to Mecca....Richard Burton but he had to disguise himself.

The most famous account of a foreigner's journey to Mecca is Personal Narrative of a Pilgrimage to Mecca and Medina, written by Richard Francis Burton. Burton traveled as a Qadiriyyah Sufi from Afghanistan. Individuals who use fake certificates of Muslim identity to enter may be arrested and prosecuted by Saudi authorities.

 

[Amnesia]

"He" I assume is me. Please point out anything I've said that's irrational, unfounded, illogical or unfair... Your antics come across as petty and childish, and bring nothing to the topic(s) in discussion.

sorry....haven't a clue what you are on about.







if i could suggest that you DON'T assume in future..........just kidding

 

[NeilF]

You didnt know? Atheism, Apostates (leaving Islam), and Gays = Stoned to death under Sharia law. Oh, and adultery outside of marriage.

All of this is also supported by and written in the Koran.

Spreading any other religion than Islam is also illegal, as is building any places of worship for them.

To be fair, this is more a cultural matter than religious. X hundred years ago western Christian societies endorsed many similarly barbaric practices. But intelligence/education dragged the cultures forwards, and the religions within those cultures were dragged kicking and screamed forwards to.

Some Islamic states/cultures simply need to be dragged "forwards".

sorry....haven't a clue what you are on about.

I think that's the problem. You haven't got a clue what I'm on about, yet you'll still attempt to put words in my mouth or take cheap jibes at me.

 

[bhavv]

Ignore bhavv...i have...hes just making things up.

I specifically stated that Atheism is punishable by death under the Sharia Law, and an open Atheist would be sentenced to death under a sharia court in Mecca.

Are you saying this isnt true? Because I am fully aware of it happening.

To be fair, this is more a cultural matter than religious.

No, actually the law is based specifically on the teachings of the Koran, which state that Atheists, Apostates, Gays and Adulterers outside of marriage are to be put to death. It is the religion that creates this culture, and the law based upon it follows its rules.

These kinds of rules were also implemented by Christianity very very long ago, prior to which I really dont think they existed.

 

[Castiel]

Hey, heres a great idea, why dont YOU talk about those things and give us some examples?

Ibn al-Haytham (b.965) is accredited with being one of the pioneers of the Scientific Method. He also wrote the Book of Optics which is ranked alongside the Principia Mathematica as one of the most influential scientific manuscripts in history.

Scientific Peer Review was first documented in Ishaq bin Ali al-Rawhi's Ethics of the Physician in the 10th Century

Public Hospitals, Public Libraries, Academic Universities, all instituted first in the Islamic world of the 9th century. The oldest University in the world is Al Kataouine in Morocco, it was invested in 865AD.

Islamic Medicine is the backbone of modern Medicine and Pharmacy.

Many, if not most of the European renaissance scientists found their inspiration and in many cases the actual science in the Islamic scholars that preceded them.

Just do a little research into the Islamic Golden Age and you will see for yourself.