Logitech Z-5500, surround system or wait for the next model?

u make me laugh mate.

nice overreaction there. you've always been incredibly defensive when it comes to your own audio system, going back years when i tried to convince you to get rid of those multiple subwoofers and get one decent one because the differece would, and i still stand by this, absolutely astound you. but no, you know best so i left you to it ;)

simple fact, z5500's are brilliant speakers, hard to fault for the price. but by no means does that mean they stack up to even entry level home cinema stuff, or the midrange stuff which is where im happy at. And certainly, not proper stuff.

who are you to say that, the cop of home cinemas? do u go round everybodys house to say yep thats a proper home cinema / nope thats not a proper home cinema

the difference is obvious if you've heard it. No i dont go round people's houses doing that, dont be so bloody stupid. However i can judge yours if you want? i'm sure ill have loads of ideas on how to improve it.

I'll say it again, my hone cinema setup whilst being nothing like what id consider 'proper stuff', is still leagues ahead of any of these pc speakers. in terms of quality, tone, seperation, frequency response (flat to 10hz my sub is, measured with a meter in the seated position - can you say that?) and ultimately power-handling (>130db with music, clear as a whistle. can you say that?)

Don't get the arse because i find it hard to believe people are shacking stuff of shelves. some of you even claimed to do it in other rooms...with a set of pc speakers??? LOL. sure. in case you missed it, the point was the people with decent gear dont go making silly claims like that. you have to ask yourself why.

Its part of the THX certification IIRC ;)

ps3ud0 :cool:

THX has nothing to do with it. The only thing THX is good for is guaranteeing a minimum level of performance which, at the top end (ultra2) is actually pretty good. unfortunately, at the bottom end (logitech's laughable THX certification) it literally means nothing meaningful at all.
 
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james.miller, if you've not heard each person system u can't judge/comment on if it's good/bad sound or proper/not proper.

it's like someone saying oh your system crap,it's in posable to say that if that people hasn't heard it.

also btw mine are not pc speakers

your problem u judge people systems without hearing them then u wonder why some people get the arse with u.
 
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THX has nothing to do with it. The only thing THX is good for is guaranteeing a minimum level of performance which, at the top end (ultra2) is actually pretty good. unfortunately, at the bottom end (logitech's laughable THX certification) it literally means nothing meaningful at all.
Calm down dear - it was a joke ;)

BTW I heard that your systems been setup badly - Im not impressed :P

ps3ud0 :cool:
 
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james.miller, if you've not heard each person system u can't judge/comment on if it's good/bad sound or proper/not proper.

it's like someone saying oh your system crap,it's in posable to say that if that people hasn't heard it.

yeah you can, ive heard enough gear to make a reasonable assumption on stuff before i go anywhere near it.

also mine are not pc speakers

I know, i remember that awful prosound or whatever it was called that you had. That was what, two years ago? i tried to convince you then and you wouldnt have it. then you sold it and bought a yamaha and guess what....it was leagues ahead wasnt it. I know your system well enough as you kept asking for opinions on it and kept getting upset when we told you our opinions. If you search back, i bet the photos of your 3 car subs and the placement of the speakers are still in a thread somewhere ;)

Calm down dear - it was a joke ;)

BTW I heard that your systems been setup badly - Im not impressed

ps3ud0 :cool:


not sure where you heard that - nobody on this forum has been anywhere near it :) less is always more imo - throwing speakers at a problem doesnt solve it, but thread's on a tangent now so back on topic! 5500's are great for the money, no doubt :)
 
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Epic hypocrisy followed this sentence.

can you explain that? an overreaction would suggest an overly emotional responce from myself? was it, or did i just answer the points raised?

Something to do with low frequency P-waves

ps3ud0 :cool:

Hmm. are you just being obtuse or do you want to tell me what it is your vaguely referring to?
 
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james.miller you've got some serious issues.

anyway if you've actually heard my system in my house then yes please do comment/ judge it, but as u haven't please don't judge/comment it.

ok.
 
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Yes, yes it was.

couldnt disagree more, sorry.

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james.miller you've got some serious issues.
anyway if you've actually heard my system in my house then yes please do comment/ judge it, but as u haven't please don't judge/comment it.


wooaah it's like groundhog day. Let me cast your mind back Gareth

Does anyone think this sound system setup is abit much? :D

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Hedge said:
all this Car amp/sub stuff... other than making the house shake with poor quality bass, i cant see the purpose.
tbh i can't see how u can comment on the sound quality. u are not here so it impossible for u to say.

What you havent realised, and we did try to explain it, is the difficulty that comes with successfully trying to integrate multiple subwoofers in a single system. If you take a look over at avforums, there are threads of well thought-out arguments for and against such things. However the one thing everybody agrees on is just how difficult it can be, when using multiple subwoofers costing hundreds if not thousands of pounds, the need for individual or group equalization solely on the subwoofers, independent of the signal that drives their amplifiers. It comes back to this whole less is more thing unless you are prepared to throw shed loads of money and/or time setting them up with SPL meters and trick EQ systems. This is what people tried to tell you two years ago and it's still the case today. You can deny this is you wish.

Now please refrain from the insults, i thought you were above that.
 
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james.miller whats your problem? do u love make yourself look big?

if you've actually heard my system in my house then yes please do comment/ judge it, but as u haven't please don't judge/comment it.

it's everytime i post in sound city your there

just back off.
 
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there's people out there with far more knowledge on the subject than me, Gareth. I've no probably with admitting that lol. If you didnt take critisism so personally, you would have listened to other people and considered their opinions and information but you refused to. point blank refused to lol.

Earthquakes :D. Definitely sounded off though. You should get someone who knows what they are doing in ;)

ps3ud0 :cool:

I just wanted my music and films to sound nice, i didnt intend to disturb anybody else and cetainly...i didnt want to cause any earthquakes :(

And apologies for getting the wrong impression then...seems people are getting the wrong end of the stick here

Anyway, these days it seems my system gets more use from the GF watching tv than it does from me lol

it's everytime i post in sound city your there

yeah its one of my most knowledgeable subject so naturally im in here a fair bit. However not once have i felt the need to call you names. it's interesting that you do. just dont forget that you jumped on my back for what was a harmless tongue in cheek comment.
 
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because i havent heard your system, right? fine, invite me over then. next time im near Leicester i'll pop in and make an informed evaluation of it. What would happen then? would you listen, or would you find another excuse?

i asked u to back off but u don't , remember this

fine, fine fine. You win, again. I'll stop talking to you. period, and two years from now this same thread will pop up, you'll boast about your 3 car amps and subwoofers and you still wont have listened to a single piece of advice that anybody has given you, safe in the knowledge that you know best and everybody else is wrong. again.

you win.

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Hi All,

I've recently had a set of Creative S750 Gigaworks stop working on me. :( I can try to get the broken subwoofer repaired but I'm thinking that as they're four years old it might not be worthwhile. I have a couple of options:

1) Buy 7.1 amp and separate subwoofer, re-use Creative speakers ~£450

2) Buy Logitech Z-5500 £200

3) Wait for next model after Z-5500

I'm a bit reluctant to spend a lot of money investing in a separate system as it takes up a lot of space and I'm not sure if it'll be that much better than the Z-5500. I really like the look of the Z-5500 but they have been around for sometime and if Logitech are about to come out with a 7.1 alternative then I'd go for it. I'm not tempted by any of Creative's ~£100 7.1 offerings as I don't think they'll match either the S-750 or Z-5500. There are some rumours going around about a new Z-5500 replacement from Logitech but it doesn't seem to have gathered any momentum, except for the good price of the Z-5500 at the moment.
If anyone has any thoughts or opinions on any of the three options I'd really appreciate it. :)

Ok, the first thing that springs to mind is that you have set a difficult budget for yourself. ie, £450 is where av amps start getting interesting, but that leaves nothing for the speakers and subwoofer (£200 on a separate sub or dont bother imo, ill explain why in a second). Likewise speakers, if you want real entry-level H/T stuff then £50 a corner is wise (plus whatever you can muster on a centre speaker). thats still £250+

my comments on the options:

1) Buy 7.1 amp and separate subwoofer, re-use Creative speakers ~£450

Not a decent way to go, imo. you would be pretty much splitting your budget between the sub and the amp. the issue with <£200 subwoofers is that by large they are barely better than the stuff you get with integrated systems just like the z5500's. It's only when you start looking at things like the bk gemeni or the xls-200 that you really start to see what subwoofers can do. otherwise dont bother unless you can find a bargain 2nd hand deal.

Likewise the amp - £200 on an av amp will get you naff all. At the very least you would want an amp that can handle audio over hdmi and at this price point i dont think there are any. Which leads on to an important question actually: if you want to go for an AV amp, would features do you wantt/need? Would you be looking for future expandability? what sort of connectivity (number of hdmi sockets, component inputs ect) ?

2) Buy Logitech Z-5500 £200

Well, ive stated a few times already. They are computer speakers, make no mistake they have some very obvious flaws. However, for £200 all in, truth be told, they are very hard to match unless you are looking second hand and even then i think you would seriously struggle. The downsides are fairly obvious - the least connectivity, no video routing at all ect.

3) Wait for next model after Z-5500

Possibly wise however i dont think anybody knows when/if there will be a successor

I'm a bit reluctant to spend a lot of money investing in a separate system as it takes up a lot of space and I'm not sure if it'll be that much better than the Z-5500. I really like the look of the Z-5500 but they have been around for sometime and if Logitech are about to come out with a 7.1 alternative then I'd go for it. I'm not tempted by any of Creative's ~£100 7.1 offerings as I don't think they'll match either the S-750 or Z-5500. There are some rumours going around about a new Z-5500 replacement from Logitech but it doesn't seem to have gathered any momentum, except for the good price of the Z-5500 at the moment.

At the £450 price point, you will struggle. my money is on the 5500's - dont get too caught up with 7.1 over 5.1 - most of the time people dont have the room space needed for a proper 7.1 setup. IE, the surround speakers are supposed to be to either side of you, and the surround backs (the 6th and 7th channel) are supposed to be BEHIND you at virtually equi-distance to the surrounds but most peoples listening rooms (be it a living room or bedroom or whatever) cant accommodate this because of a lack of space - i sit against the back wall for example; no space for surround backs, so i dont use them :)
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because i havent heard your system, right? fine, invite me over then. next time im near Leicester i'll pop in and make an informed evaluation of it. What would happen then? would you listen, or would you find another excuse?



fine, fine fine. You win, again. I'll stop talking to you. period, and two years from now this same thread will pop up, you'll boast about your 3 car amps and subwoofers and you still wont have listened to a single piece of advice that anybody has given you, safe in the knowledge that you know best and everybody else is wrong. again.

you win.
read would i said if you've actually heard my system in my house then yes please do comment/ judge it,

also i never asked for help , i only asked 1 question . u just jumped on me basicly saying it's crap, it's like puting me down.

i would never tell anybody that they system crap/cheap/poor. thats so rude, the person probably worked they ass off to get it.

and also it's only 2 amps/subs and 1 active sub now.
 
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read would i said if you've actually heard my system in my house then yes please do comment/ judge it,

also i never asked for help , i only asked 1 question . u just jumped on me basicly saying it's crap, it's like puting me down.

i would never tell anybody that they system crap/cheap/poor. thats so rude, the person probably worked they ass off to get it.

and also it's only 2 amps/subs and 1 activate sub now.

you asked for opinions and you got them. Its a forum, not a fanclub, so i'm sorry if that insults you but that's life. This is my last response to you.
 
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i love it when people say stuff falls of shelving. you dont see people with proper home cinemas say that, the kind of systems that are capable of so much more pressure that a set of logitech speakers. It makes me think you lot dont know how to put your shelves up or something :p

in my old place i was using two subs in big boxes (3.5- 4.0 Cubic feet each) and i could make the opposing wall pulse at 25hz or so. you could put your hand on it and you could feel it bouncing. im talking loud, 130db loud. but nothing ever fell off a shelf lol.

Depends on what you have on your shelves surely?

My z-5500's are in 4.5m room with a concrete floor and two foot thick stone walls.

Yes, at not even full volume they can make an ornament fall off the shelf from the other side of the room. Why would I lie?

I also have a half decent home surround system (onkyo 608 plus wharfedale diamonds 8 series and 150 sub) whichcan cause things to fall off way before the z-5500's do. I have also specced up two of my bosses home cimena systems costing in excess of £20k each and they have some huge output however not a single thing falls off shelves probably because he hardly has anything on them or they are all heavy.

Might I suggest that most people setting up "proper" home cinemas are in rooms without light, delicate ornaments on shelves or people don't turn them up loud?
 
Ok, the first thing that springs to mind is that you have set a difficult budget for yourself. ie, £450 is where av amps start getting interesting, but that leaves nothing for the speakers and subwoofer (£200 on a separate sub or dont bother imo, ill explain why in a second). Likewise speakers, if you want real entry-level H/T stuff then £50 a corner is wise (plus whatever you can muster on a centre speaker). thats still £250+

You forgot the 2nd hand option. I got my Diamond wharfdale 8.3 fronts, 8.1 rears and 8 centre and 150 sub for £35 from ebay. I then got an Onkyo 508 av receiver for £85 (since replaced with a 608 for free)

At £130 this setup blows my z-5500's away, Infact I bought them to replace the z-5500's but they were so good they went on the tv instead.
 
Depends on what you have on your shelves surely?

My z-5500's are in 4.5m room with a concrete floor and two foot thick stone walls.

Yes, at not even full volume they can make an ornament fall off the shelf from the other side of the room. Why would I lie?

I also have a half decent home surround system (onkyo 608 plus wharfedale diamonds 8 series and 150 sub) whichcan cause things to fall off way before the z-5500's do. I have also specced up two of my bosses home cimena systems costing in excess of £20k each and they have some huge output however not a single thing falls off shelves probably because he hardly has anything on them or they are all heavy.

Might I suggest that most people setting up "proper" home cinemas are in rooms without light, delicate ornaments on shelves or people don't turn them up loud?

i would also add that 'decent' is entirely subjective and not everybody who has a half-'decent' system would be fortunate enough to put that system in it's own dedicated room, as trips to places like avforums or avs would tend to suggest. I'm a messy person by nature (hey i was a batchelor for too long and its hard to change :p) and i do leave stuff around but even so, nothing ever fell off of anything. there are videos of Mike's horn sub running 10-100hz sweeps - that thing was mentally efficient and loud. in those video he had stuff bouncing around, for example, but that was with that horn peaking at 126db which he said himself was almost too uncomfortable to listen to for very long.

You forgot the 2nd hand option. I got my Diamond wharfdale 8.3 fronts, 8.1 rears and 8 centre and 150 sub for £35 from ebay. I then got an Onkyo 508 av receiver for £85 (since replaced with a 608 for free)

At £130 this setup blows my z-5500's away, Infact I bought them to replace the z-5500's but they were so good they went on the tv instead.

oooh i did mention 2nd hand but only in reference to the subwoofer. I didnt mean just the subwoofer but fair comment and one that should always be considered. Second hand speakers and amps should always be considered. Speakers epescially - treat them well and they last years and years and as a result you can find some utter bargains if your looking second hand.
 
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