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Hatter The Mad said:
No, science does not support the agnostic position. If something cannot be proven, it is false.
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Erm..No. If something cannot be proven, it cannot be proven. To be false, it would need to be defined and proven false.

Anyway enough of this, we won't agree. Atheism needs to prove it's claims as much as Religion does, each are faith positions otherwise.

Science is skeptical, not dismissive. Agnosticism is the same.
 
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Thought I'd come in the wrong thread there all this talk about physics.

I just read (albeit on TMZ) that Donald Trump is offering to buy the property for the price they bought it for plus 25% if the move at least 5 blocks away.

Fair play to the combovered buffoon if it's true.

Sauce
 
Castiel said:
Atheism needs to prove it's claims as much as Religion does, each are faith positions otherwise.
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No it doesn't. Deists claim that a deity exists. There is no evidence to suggest this. Therefore, the burden of proof is on the deist, and until they can prove their assertion, the deity does not exist.

Do you really think it is sensible to go about life, when presented with someone who claims something exists, to think burden of proof rests equally with either party? That you have no choice but to accept the other person's assertion, no matter HOW ludicrous, until YOU can disprove it?

It just doesn't make sense.

The evidentialist challenge is one often thrown up by theists, it is tiring.
 
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Hatter The Mad said:
No it doesn't. Deists claim that a deity exists. There is no evidence to suggest this. Therefore, the burden of proof is on the deist, and until they can prove their assertion, the deity does not exist.

Do you really think it is sensible to go about life, when presented with someone who claims something exists, the burden of proof rests equally with either party?

It just doesn't make sense.

The evidentialist challenge is one often thrown up by theists, it is tiring.
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Eugene Scott explains it better than I, given the time of night:

 
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Hatter The Mad said:
If something cannot be proven, it is false.
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Wow, I really misunderstood science then. :) So you can't prove that your mum loves you, meaning she doesn't. You can't prove that you're not a figment of my imagination, so you are. You can't prove that humans live in a real, independent universe that isn't just some guy's gaming rig, so I guess we do....

Science is fun! :p
 
To be honest all the most intelligent people in the world dont believe in any god!

That kinda sums its up!

No body can prove who is right or wrong so how are we supposed to tell right from wrong!

Lets face it... we're all screwed and just better hope we made right decitions in our life!!!

However if there is no god which seems the more obvious choice.... then we'll know no differnce when we leave this life!
 
Hatter The Mad said:
No, science does not support the agnostic position. If something cannot be proven, it is false.

Science does not support the agnostic position on my theory that mavity is actually the product of our making cheese, but in a way we're physically unable to observe in our world, so why would it support the agnostic position on God?

In science, it isn't "maybe true until shown to be true or false", it is "false until proven otherwise".
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Yea, and I know nothing about science despite this being my opinion and having a science degree :p

These agnostic / theist nutters really need to stop banging on about Science pointing to agnosicism, they are honestly clueless and will purposefully distort science into something it actually isnt to support their completely FALSE idea that God could be true.
 
Castiel said:
Eugene Scott explains it better than I, given the time of night:

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I gave up watching that as soon as I heard what she said about Evolution teaching students to 'take their god and shove it'.

You have to be an idiot to listen to or believe any of that.
 
bhavv said:
I gave up watching that as soon as I heard what she said about Evolution teaching students to 'take their god and shove it'.

You have to be an idiot to listen to or believe any of that.
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Well I heard her say Intelligent Design people BELIEVE that evolution is a materialist phenomena, and that science teachers tell people to take their God and shove it, when in actual fact... etc. Maybe listen again?
 
Rainmaker said:
Well I heard her say Intelligent Design people BELIEVE that evolution is a materialist phenomena, and that science teachers tell people to take their God and shove it, when in actual fact... etc. Maybe listen again?
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I need subtitles :(.

I just heard - 'Just because an idea sounds good, doesnt mean you accept it, you have to test it'.

Ok, so she does speak sense. The idea of God cannot be accepted then. And thats why they leave God out of science.
 
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bhavv said:
Yea, and I know nothing about science despite this being my opinion and having a science degree :p

These agnostic / theist nutters really need to stop banging on about Science pointing to agnosicism, they are honestly clueless and will purposefully distort science into something it actually isnt to support their completely FALSE idea that God could be true.
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I don't beleive God to be true any more than you do. I accept, however that my belief is just that, a belief not a scientific fact.
 
You can't prove that you're not a figment of my imagination, so you are.
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I don't understand what you're trying to do here. No one is making an assertion that I am a figment of your imagination. If you are asserting this, then I ask you to prove it - until you do, it is false.


You can't prove that humans live in a real, independent universe that isn't just some guy's gaming rig, so I guess we do....
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No one is making an assertion that we live in some guy's gaming rig. If you are asserting this, then I ask you to prove it - until you do, it is false.


Science is fun! :p
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It is, but you're not doing anything scientific here - just being purposely (I hope) ignorant and stupid.
 
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Hatter The Mad said:
It is, but you're not doing anything scientific here - just being purposely (I hope) ignorant and stupid.
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Yes. My point was, as you said, that some things (such as your mother's love) are subjective and not measurable by science, as it isn't designed for, nor really needed for, such a thing. While my other assertions were (purposefully) outrageous, I was just responding to your claim that if something can't be proven then it must be false. Clearly that isn't always the case.
 
Rainmaker said:
Wow, I really misunderstood science then. :) So you can't prove that your mum loves you, meaning she doesn't. You can't prove that you're not a figment of my imagination, so you are. You can't prove that humans live in a real, independent universe that isn't just some guy's gaming rig, so I guess we do....

Science is fun! :p
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Even I couldnt come up with completely abstract, pointless strawman arguments like those.
 
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