Do Audi still produce petrol engines?

mikeh501 said:
Can't understand why anyone would consider a petrol engine in a car like this.
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Because they might be able to afford the 3.0/3.2 V6 or the 4.2 V8 petrol engined versions, and their associated running costs?

Admittedly I have no experience of any A6's, but I can't imagine any reason why I'd rather have a TDI over any of these engines really.
 
mikeh501 said:
I've got a 58 plate a6 avant 3.0tdi quattro and the first service was £380 at 18500 miles which I thought was pretty much the going rate for any marque. If next interval manages that I'd be happy, and I'm still on my original tyres which is awesome given their cost.

My 0.02 is that you'd be utterly mad buying a non-s/rs in anything other than tdi, especially if you can afford the 3.0 v6 which is a peach of an engine and suits the car and auto box very well. Can't understand why anyone would consider a petrol engine in a car like this.
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That isn't the going rate for any marque. The first service is just an oil change, my oil change on the 530d was £174 and the brake fluid was another £90 because it was at 2 yrs. Some BMW garages do charge more though the thing is to always compare several garage prices.
 
mikeh501 said:
My 0.02 is that you'd be utterly mad buying a non-s/rs in anything other than tdi, especially if you can afford the 3.0 v6 which is a peach of an engine and suits the car and auto box very well. Can't understand why anyone would consider a petrol engine in a car like this.
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Because they are smoother, more refined, quieter, offer a different style of power delivery which money prefer and life is too short for penny pinching when you are buying a premium car.

Sadly it was sold today but I ran my 530i alongside my parents 530d for years, regularly driving both. The 530d was great and absolutely had its strengths, but fuel economy and... err.. towing trailers aside, the petrol one was just better.

Dont get me wrong, the decent diesel engines are absolutely excellent but to say you can't understand why anyone would chose petrol when, removing the fuel economy aspect, its the better engine choice, is bizarre.

Look at any country where petrol cost isnt an issue. Are they all driving diesel for the 'superior torques'?

Of course not. They all drive the better engine choice when economy isn't part of the equation.
 
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[TW]Fox;17356294 said:
Because they are smoother, more refined, quieter, offer a different style of power delivery which money prefer and life is too short for penny pinching when you are buying a premium car.

Sadly it was sold today but I ran my 530i alongside my parents 530d for years, regularly driving both. The 530d was great and absolutely had its strengths, but fuel economy and... err.. towing trailers aside, the petrol one was just better.

Dont get me wrong, the decent diesel engines are absolutely excellent but to say you can't understand why anyone would chose petrol when, removing the fuel economy aspect, its the better engine choice, is bizarre.

Look at any country where petrol cost isnt an issue. Are they all driving diesel for the 'superior torques'?

Of course not. They all drive the better engine choice when economy isn't part of the equation.
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But the fuel economy aspect is a large part of the choice, how can you remove that aspect and expect a fair choice. I know what your getting at but look at the US where the diesel isnt an option because of both the lack of diesel fuel there and the cost of petrol. The choice engine isnt the 3.0 like most petrols here its the V8s which theres no direct comparison for.

As for the whole torque means nothing debate thats not clear cut because unlike the belief here that I have a gearbox on my petrol so torque means nothing, which we've seen quoted so many times before, the new BMW diesels dispel that myth with the 535d beating the 535i to 60mph by 0.3 of a second yet with less power (BHP) and less revs. So the torque is equating to power and BHP isn't the be all.
 
Well it is clear cut as its pure science - torque at the wheels matters, torque at the flywheel is largely irrelevent. Some diesels develop impressive torque figures at the wheels versus petrol counterparts - these will therefore be genuinelly quicker (none of this 'omg in 6th from 49 to 50' rubbish).

Diesel is quite widely available in the US now, anyway. All but one of the gas stations I've used in the last week had it.
 
godinman said:
Because they might be able to afford the 3.0/3.2 V6 or the 4.2 V8 petrol engined versions, and their associated running costs?

Admittedly I have no experience of any A6's, but I can't imagine any reason why I'd rather have a TDI over any of these engines really.
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For someone who has no experience of an A6 you sure know a lot. I'd hazard a guess that people who buy an A6 petrol are a tiny tiny minority, especially when the 3litr diesel is considered to be the best engine in the range. Do they even make a 4.2 anymore? must have been crazy popular in this country.

Dandle said:
That isn't the going rate for any marque. The first service is just an oil change, my oil change on the 530d was £174 and the brake fluid was another £90 because it was at 2 yrs. Some BMW garages do charge more though the thing is to always compare several garage prices.
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Happy for you to show me a Audi main dealer which would do a first service on a V6 A6 for £174..... IIRC the oil was £110 (not saying there not robdogs on that too, but were talking main dealers here)

[TW]Fox;17356294 said:
Because they are smoother, more refined, quieter, offer a different style of power delivery which money prefer and life is too short for penny pinching when you are buying a premium car.

Sadly it was sold today but I ran my 530i alongside my parents 530d for years, regularly driving both. The 530d was great and absolutely had its strengths, but fuel economy and... err.. towing trailers aside, the petrol one was just better.

Dont get me wrong, the decent diesel engines are absolutely excellent but to say you can't understand why anyone would chose petrol when, removing the fuel economy aspect, its the better engine choice, is bizarre.

Look at any country where petrol cost isnt an issue. Are they all driving diesel for the 'superior torques'?

Of course not. They all drive the better engine choice when economy isn't part of the equation.
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You cant just dispense with those aspects of ownership, thats completely ridiculous, and if you could dispense with running costs entirely you wouldnt be buying an A6 tbh. Oh and comparing us to other countries is again ridiculous; as I drive and own my car in the UK.... like everyone else.

I also think the 3.0TDI suits this car better than the petrol, as 99% of them will have an auto box like mine and having a less revvy engine makes more sense. Whats the point in being able to thrash it when you have an auto? and that being said, when mine is in sport mode on the gearbox its certainly not glacial.

and as youve been out in the US, how many of these epic petrols did you drive that werent completely crap. I'd take any decent euro diesel over the vast majority of the US hire fleet ive driven over the years.
 
rypt said:
It's like driving an auto, it's just not fun you need a gearbox that DOES NOT shift for you
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I can think of a few cars where a manual gearbox would be no fun at all. The car in my sig link for one....
 
1.3l cdti corsa van, god i hate the thing, traction is like a foreign language to the piece of ****.

I do actually like new diesels though thining of one for my next car.
 
mikeh501 said:
Happy for you to show me a Audi main dealer which would do a first service on a V6 A6 for £174..... IIRC the oil was £110 (not saying there not robdogs on that too, but were talking main dealers here)
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You didn't say Audi, you said it "I thought was pretty much the going rate for any marque". I just pointed out it wasn't the going rate for any marque.

One thing with dealers is that the prices different ones charge varies massively. When I had the Audi I got the first AVS service for £154(2.0TFSI) but other people on Audisport.net were paying up to £280 for the same service. When I got the BMW service I got my local dealer to price match another in the area which they were happy to do.
 
Torque figures anywhere are irrelevant, I wish people would get this into their heads. Torque is only there because it's the raw unit usually measured along with speed when benchmarking power.

Power which you can use is what gives clout, end of!
 
BigglesPiP said:
Torque figures anywhere are irrelevant, I wish people would get this into their heads. Torque is only there because it's the raw unit usually measured along with speed when benchmarking power.

Power which you can use is what gives clout, end of!
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But torque is a measurement of power. As i said earlier the new 535d has less BHP than the 535i yet it is faster. So it must be the extra torque that's making it faster, less bhp isn't.
 
Dandle said:
But torque is a measurement of power.
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No it isn't. It's a measure of force, an instantaneous unit, you can have all the torque in the world and go nowhere. Only when you add motion do you get power, Force times distance, work done.

The confusing thing about cars is they publish "peak" bhp, if they published average power output through 0-to-60 mph, per ton; then the power figures would exactly line up with the 0-60 times (excluding grip,gear-change duration and aerodynamics as factors).
 
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Dandle said:
As i said earlier the new 535d has less BHP than the 535i yet it is faster. So it must be the extra torque that's making it faster, less bhp isn't.
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Yep. Must be the torque. Nothing at all to do with the fact that the 535d has an 8spd auto 'box while the 535i has to make do with a 6spd manual 'box.

Nothing at all to do with that.

No siree.
 
A good example is torquing up a hub nut.

You've got your largest torque wrench out and you're applying 300Nm to the nut, the torque wrench is not turning.

300Nm x 0RPM = 0hp. You are not moving anywhere.

Now say the engine is applying 300Nm of force to the wheel and the wheel is doing 1000RPM.

300Nm x 1000 RPM = 42hp at this wheel, accelerating and propelling your car.
 
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BigglesPiP said:
A good example is torquing up a hub nut.

You've got your largest torque wrench out and you're applying 300Nm to the nut, the torque wrench is not turning.

300Nm x 0RPM = 0bhp. You are not moving anywhere.

Now say the engine is applying 300Nm of force to the wheel and the wheel is doing 1000RPM.

300Nm x 1000 RPM = 42hp at this wheel, accelerating and propelling your car.
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Please post this in every diesel thread. It amazes me that people dont get it and quote huge torque at the flywheel figures as if it actually means something!

'Yea dude this car has more torque than an M5!' Great! How much of it makes the tarmac?
 
JRS said:
Yep. Must be the torque. Nothing at all to do with the fact that the 535d has an 8spd auto 'box while the 535i has to make do with a 6spd manual 'box.

Nothing at all to do with that.

No siree.
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535d auto 5.7s 0-60, 535i auto (with the same zf 8 speed auto box) 6.1s 0-60.
 
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