America does a thing (again) (and again)

[KNiVES]

I'm not surprised. It should never have been published on the front page. It's a bloody insult. Maybe you should put yourself in the Americansd shoes not some manby panby lets suck up to and not insult them because they’re such goodies attitude. Some people need to face up to reality. They condemn terrorism with one hand and let it continue with the other. It's time to stop pussy footing around and keep telling them what we really think. Sod their so called sensibilities, they don’t have any.

Are you seriously saying these ordinary Muslims were responsible for 9/11? That they condone it?

That is a very bluntly extreme post you have there. It's about as close to 'THEM DAMN MUSLIMS!' as you can get!

It's not sucking up to them. It's standing up for them and using common sense and logic. I'd say it's racist but then the 'it's not racism because they're not a race' brigade will come along and throw a bunch of red herrings at us. It is a travesty that they are all being tarred with the same brush by people with patently obvious far-right tendencies, such as yourself.

 

[RDM]

Bolded for emphasis

I am calm, why on earth wouldn't I be?

Anyhow, there seem to be a disporportionate number of muslims that hold pretty bat-**** crazy ideas of what is acceptable, so why is it not OK to brand all of them as bat-**** crazy if you are allowed to do the same to the US?

 

[Castiel]

Careful, he may threaten your mother next....

Why is it that the OP thinks it is wrong to bash all muslims because of the moronic acts of some (the furor regarding the mohammed cartoons, the more recent furor regarding the koran burning, the various acts of islamic terrorism, the many acts of violence against things non islamic in islamic nations, the killing of gays, the mother rape threats) yet it is perfectly acceptable to do the same to Americans because of the actions of some?

Good point. Especially as Obama, the elected representative of the entire country (supposedly) has condemned each group equally and with equanimity on more than one occasion.

It is time we, and I mean collectively both within society and the media began to single out those specific groups or individual's responsible for each act and gave some sort of equality to those who condemn as well as support terror and hatred.

 

[KNiVES]

I am calm, why on earth wouldn't I be?

Anyhow, there seem to be a disporportionate number of muslims that hold pretty bat-**** crazy ideas of what is acceptable, so why is it not OK to brand all of them as bat-**** crazy if you are allowed to do the same to the US?

It wasn't for you, sorry, it was for the people threatening each other with violence and petulant name calling.

If there is a disproportionate number of Muslims with crazy ideas in their heads, then I would like to see that, but I would also condemn them in equal measure. The xenophobia on display in America is a current trend and I felt it was appropriate to highlight it.

As it stands, a vast vast majority of the 1.6 billion Muslim practitioners are ordinary and well-adjusted individuals like you and me. That really is ultimately the point I wanted to put across; they as a people don't deserve the vitriol elements of the American society and media are giving them, as well as certain posters in this thread...

 

[RDM]

If there is a disproportionate number of Muslims with crazy ideas in their heads, then I would like to see that, but I would also condemn them in equal measure.

You don't think the violence and protests over the mohammed cartoons and the koran burning (which didn't happen, but don't let that stop you having a riot) was disproportionate? You don't think the number of even moderate muslims that see little wrong in homoexuals being executed/persecuted as disporportionate? You don't think that the god awful state when it comes to human rights of so many Islamic states suggests that there is a disproportionate number of bat-**** crazy muslims out there?

You do however think a poll suggesting 20% of Americans may think Obama is a muslim means they are worthy of condemnation?

No, really I don't understand how you can make the post you did without feeling just a touch...hypocritical.

 

[KNiVES]

You don't think the violence and protests over the mohammed cartoons and the koran burning (which didn't happen, but don't let that stop you having a riot) was disproportionate? You don't think the number of even moderate muslims that see little wrong in homoexuals being executed/persecuted as disporportionate? You don't think that the god awful state when it comes to human rights of so many Islamic states suggests that there is a disproportionate number of bat-**** crazy muslims out there?

You do however think a poll suggesting 20% of Americans may think Obama is a muslim means they are worthy of condemnation?

No, really I don't understand how you can make the post you did without feeling just a touch...hypocritical.

I fail to see how it's hypocritical... so I can't condemn the acts of one group without doing so to the other? Which of course I feel those actions stated in your post are ridiculously silly and overblown, but many of those are attributed to culture more than religion. The death penalties, human rights, attitudes to homosexuals are all symptoms of immature culture and attitudes in society totally unrelated to religion. Let's not forget you could easily be talking about dear old America there.

Christian nations have death penalties and homophobic legislation too. Many Christian nations still have poor human rights. Just because I happen to criticize the situation in America does not mean I condone the actions of a radical element in Islamic society.

If you want to take the viewpoint that Islam really is an unhinged group full of rioters, people who execute and show disdain for human rights then you can - but it is regrettable. And also highly ignorant of a general worldview by the majority of societies and cultures that think it's ok to do evil things regardless of their religion!

 

[Greenlizard0]

*Has only read the first few posts*

I'm not really going to enter this thread as I've been in way too many over the years.

But I'm sick of seeing those terrorists being painted as religious zealots. Sure it may have been easier to 'deal' with them by feeding the masses with an easy label but can't everybody see 9 years later it's all just a front for their own political/ideological notions? The reasons why they attacked the Twin Towers may have been in 'the name of Allah' but anybody with a bit of common sense will correlate years of terrible American foreign policy.

Further more not all Muslims share those beliefs and I don't see why they still all are tarred with the same brush every time somebody feels they're not condemning enough. To be fair as well, how exactly would we know they're not? Going back to the first point, it's easier for us to pretend they're not, or more critically give an unequal amount of media attention to those that do compared to idiots like the hook guy who don't. Think about it...what sells newspapers?

 

[KNiVES]

Don't bother reading the rest of the thread, it's a bleeding mess.

 

[Yas786]

I'm not surprised. It should never have been published on the front page. It's a bloody insult. Maybe you should put yourself in the Americansd shoes not some manby panby lets suck up to and not insult them because they’re such goodies attitude. Some people need to face up to reality. They condemn terrorism with one hand and let it continue with the other. It's time to stop pussy footing around and keep telling them what we really think. Sod their so called sensibilities, they don’t have any.

LOL just absolutely LOL...step away from the keyboard son and kindly get a clue as to what your talking about.

Heres a fact Americans have more muslim blood on them than muslims have american blood on them...funny that some of these stupid moronic Americans cant actually see that

Bolded the some bit because i know a few of you will get your knickers into a right ole twist

 

[eatcustard]

Who attacked America? It was terrorists of mostly arab nationalities not the people of afghanistan.

It was the Training camps in Afganistan.

That was enough for Bush and Blair.

Also its next to Iran and Pakistan, so little trips across the border can be made.

 

[eatcustard]

Heres a fact Americans have more muslim blood on them than muslims have american blood on them...funny that some of these stupid moronic Americans cant actually see that

Really?

Very interesting as 99% of Yanks think they are from Ireland

 

[Castiel]

Really?

Very interesting as 99% of Yanks think they are from Ireland

So all the African Americans, and the Hispanic Americans, and the Bayou Americans, Asian Americans and so on all think they are Irish.

 

[eatcustard]

So all the African Americans, and the Hispanic Americans, and the Bayou Americans, Asian Americans and so on all think they are Irish.

cant you understand the sarcasm bit


you must remember "Americans nice but dim"

 

[Castiel]

cant you understand the sarcasm bit


you must remember "Americans nice but dim"

I can, you can't however.

 

[eatcustard]

I can, you can't however.

 

[RDM]

I fail to see how it's hypocritical...

Which is what astounds me...

If you want to take the viewpoint that Islam really is an unhinged group full of rioters, people who execute and show disdain for human rights then you can - but it is regrettable.

Which is pretty much the point. I don't think that. Because I am not ascribing the actions of all the bat-**** crazy muslims to all muslims. You however are ascribing the actions of all the bat-**** crazy americans to all americans. Go hypocrisy!

 

[ThundyCat]

Put the handbags away please ladies.

If you cannot discuss this in a sensible manner then the thread will be closed. If the trolls appear then hit the rtm button as opposed to feeding them.

TC.

 

[rypt]

but anybody with a bit of common sense will correlate years of terrible American foreign policy.

Kosovo, Bosnia and 1st Gulf War were terrible policy?

 

[uv]

Jesus wept, what happened in here?

You don't think the number of even moderate muslims that see little wrong in homoexuals being executed/persecuted as disporportionate?

Texas has the death penalty, it is predominantly Christian.
Texas has a large number of homophobic groups, and many accounted homophobic killings.

Of course, this must mean that all Christians are homophobic death penalty seekers, right?

Further more not all Muslims share those beliefs and I don't see why they still all are tarred with the same brush

Indeed, I can't understand why some people have the unfounded belief that all Muslims are affiliated with terrorism. It's actually quite ridiculous.

 

[Greenlizard0]

Kosovo, Bosnia and 1st Gulf War were terrible policy?

Do you really want me to give examples of bad policy, or are you in fact aware of them (noting you cited three converse wars above) and are just being argumentative?