Sharia Law coming to swimming pools in Australia

Robbie G said:
No doubt PardonTheWait will dip into that thread and name it a personal attack also :p.

And you can't really name me, as you posted your cryptic non-point before I posted in this thread ;). You're right to say it's obvious who you were referring to, but you still didn't really say anything.

Stopping families dressing like they would at any other swimming pool, just cause it's Ramadan which is a fictitious made up event based on nothing real, is ridiculous.
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My views are clear from previous threads, I feel it's nonsense that people faff over dress codes and having to cover yourselves from head to toe when in public. I think it's all man made and nothing to do with religion and the more I look deeper the more it becomes clear.

The whole point of wearing something modest is so when people see you they think "yes that's a fairly respectable person" or similar, covering yourselves from head to toe does nothing of the sort, people think terrorism or recluse or whatever.

But that's besides the point IMO. The point is papers put a spin on the news and the spin seekers come out of the woodwork when these articles are printed and all of a sudden the bandwagon forms.
 
Robbie G said:
Can you not see the difference between school uniforms, where the dress is standard each day for everyone, and this situation?

The point is, normal dress for the pool has been changed.

Yes black tie events require a certain dress code, but the dress code from one black tie event to the next has not been changed to accommodate a certain group of people.

This is the problem I have with it. No, I am not scared we will be forced to go to a Mosque. In any case I wouldn't mind that one bit, as I would spend all my time figuring out how the human race managed to be suckered into the greatest con going - religion.

Let's all spend a month not eating or having sex until it's dark just because there was apparently some divine prophet centuries ago. I MEAN COME ON PEOPLE! All that time and energy could be spent on making the world a better place.
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So what you are saying is you are against trying to help accommodate different races and religions if it means a tiny change from normal practice. Surely this act by VCAT can be regarded as an olive branch to the Muslim community to show that their customs and culture can be accepted and welcomed into Australia all be it on this very small scale and time frame. Maybe people will embrace change for these 2 hours instead of being so adamantly opposed to it?
 
MonkeyNews said:
So what you are saying is you are against trying to help accommodate different races and religions if it means a tiny change from normal practice.
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Yes, totally. Local customs are what matters in a swimming pool, not minority customs.

Just like I wouldn't expect to go to a Buddhist temple and demand to be allowed to keep my shoes on if I was offended by revealing my feet.
 
Robbie G said:
Can you not see the difference between school uniforms, where the dress is standard each day for everyone, and this situation?

The point is, normal dress for the pool has been changed.

Yes black tie events require a certain dress code, but the dress code from one black tie event to the next has not been changed to accommodate a certain group of people.

This is the problem I have with it. No, I am not scared we will be forced to go to a Mosque. In any case I wouldn't mind that one bit, as I would spend all my time figuring out how the human race managed to be suckered into the greatest con going - religion.

Let's all spend a month not eating or having sex until it's dark just because there was apparently some divine prophet centuries ago. I MEAN COME ON PEOPLE! All that time and energy could be spent on making the world a better place.
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I read the article and the line below is what makes it different from your examples of black tie events or school uniforms -

The ban on skimpy clothes will apply between 6.15 and 8.15pm on August 21 next year, a time when the pool is closed to the public and normally used by a Muslim women's swimming group.

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The Pool would be closed anyway, so no-ones right to go to the pool it being thwarted by muslims and their specific dress code.

It's the equivilent of finding out your local gym opens at 2am till 4am when it's normally closed for the public, but some muslims have had an agreement with the owners that they can use it then and the people that use it have to wear a specific dress code.

It looks like it effects no-one white or otherwise and it just lets some muslims have a couple of hours swim in an environment where they feel comfortable
 
Robbie G said:
Yes, totally. Local customs are what matters in a swimming pool, not minority customs.
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But being against a small custom, for 2 hours, when it allows a minority to join in the fun of an event, in a swimming pool that is normally closed? Don't you think you are being a little too pedantic with unwavering loyalty to local swimming pool customs in Dandenong City in this scenario?

Dont you see how allowing this to go ahead maybe a good thing for the interaction between the Muslim community and the local populous?
 
y2viks said:
I read the article and the line below is what makes it different from your examples of black tie events or school uniforms -

The ban on skimpy clothes will apply between 6.15 and 8.15pm on August 21 next year, a time when the pool is closed to the public and normally used by a Muslim women's swimming group.

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The Pool would be closed anyway, so no-ones right to go to the pool it being thwarted by muslims and their specific dress code.
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Normally used by a muslim women's swimming group, but not on this occasion.

You say you read the article but the first paragraph is: 'UPDATE 12.35pm: A PLAN to force families to cover up to avoid offending Muslims at a public event has triggered furious debate.' The pool is not closed to the public.

MonkeyNews said:
But being against a small custom, for 2 hours, when it allows a minority to join in the fun of an event, in a swimming pool that is normally closed? Don't you think you are being a little too pedantic with unwavering loyalty to local swimming pool customs in Dandenong City in this scenario?

Dont you see how allowing this to go ahead maybe a good thing for the interaction between the Muslim community and the local populous?
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I don't see how this policy in itself suddenly allows them to 'join in the fun of an event'...they can join in at any time and wear what they like, as long as they don't enforce those beliefs on others.

It might be a good thing in the short term in terms of the people that want everyone else to be covered up will be appeased, but it sets an uncomfortable precedent for future events.
 
This post raises the more interesting question, are there specifically tailored swimsuits for Muslims?
 
Skyfall said:
This post raises the more interesting question, are there specifically tailored swimsuits for Muslims?
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http://www.modestkini.com/

And many, many more websites selling the same... :D

My thoughts on the OP? If it was a private pool, then they can have what ever rules they want. As it was a public pool however then they need to cater to all in the area. Imposing the dress code of another group, no matter how well minded, is wrong and so shouldn't be done.
 
http://www.modestkini.com/

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^ Bah, slow to Google, quick to fail.
 
Robbie G said:
Normally used by a muslim women's swimming group, but not on this occasion.

You say you read the article but the first paragraph is: 'UPDATE 12.35pm: A PLAN to force families to cover up to avoid offending Muslims at a public event has triggered furious debate.' The pool is not closed to the public.
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But in the exact article written further down it does say that the pool is closed to the public.

It's not unheard of for a headline to be sensational and on further reading of the actual article, the headline is proved slightly untrue or not in the correct context.

I just went to the suns website - http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/

clicked on the Chruch Worshop - Charlotte: I'm Awesome article, read it and she mentions Leona Lewis being awesome. She describes her own classical music voice as being awesome, but based on the headline I would thought somewhere it would say "I'm Awesome!"

We've got differing opinions on this. I'm not fussed about whatevers happening as long as it doesn't effect people negatively, which to me this doesn't.

I don't read much on GD but from the looks of this thread there's a big anti Islam thing going on which I can sort of understand, but if you're worried about their values being forced upon the Australians in this instance, are you opposed to the UN Troops fighting the war in Afganistan and trying to instill certain Western ideals (democracy for example) on their country? Again I don't read much on GD so you might do, i'm just asking
 
Haven't read most of the thread so sure this has been said somewhere, but it's only two hours at an all Muslim events anyway, so what's the problem?

Sure they could have just had a dress code, but then what's to say some chump who doesn't like Muslims couldn't come along and ruin it.

Let them have their time, their a minority so this shouldn't in any means become general law or be on all the time, but they want one day, so why not give it to them?

This seems to have been blown out of proportion, the ban is for two hours! Not permanent, just two hours at a Muslim event.

Misleading article, misleading thread title.
 
Tefal said:
what about imposing the dress code of swimwear on the naturalists :p
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I have no real issue with it, but others might...

It might however fall under general indecency laws. In which case it would be for the local populace to decide as a whole if they allow nude swimming. With the majority of nudist beaches though the nude part is optional, so they don't tend to impose their dress code on others.

Also while I may think it somewhat backward (and find the hypocrisy of the website I linked perviously amusing) if the nation has an islamic dress code I would, as a visitor, also feel obliged to comply.
 
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