The pope. Popeing about.

That isn't why I am giving up. I am giving up because it seems that disagreement and pointing out flaws is now trolling. As you have no desire to have a proper discussion and would prefer insults, then I am bowing out.

You were trolling because you were purposely being obtuse in the definition of cohabitation, when you knew exactly what I meant. It was not an insult, it was a light-hearted observation on some of the obviously silly examples you gave, such as someone's boy/girlfriend staying over the night and dying....
 
LOLAtheists...so hellbent on putting their point across:p
just doesnt have a clue when it comes to religion sadly.

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why does anyone with Atheists beliefs need to 'have a clue' or study religion to come to the conclusion that it's all hogwash ? Common sense is all it needs, nothing more nothing less .
 
why does anyone with Atheists beliefs need to 'have a clue' or study religion to come to the conclusion that it's all hogwash ? Common sense is all it needs, nothing more nothing less .

You do not have to have any specific knowledge of religion to be an Atheist. You do however if you wish to criticise Religions on their doctrine.
 
You do not have to have any specific knowledge of religion to be an Atheist. You do however if you wish to criticise Religions on their doctrine.

If all the main religions are of a belief in a 'god' an all powerful creator of the universe then I think I have every right to criticise the teachings of religion & have no need to have any more than basic religious knowledge to know it is all based on myths & legends.
Not only is there no proof there is indeed no evidence of anything supernatural happening since the dawn of time to the present day.

The usual 'you know nothing about religion' & 'try reading the bible/koran' etc that posters in these threads usually ask simply adds more fuel to the fire in that it shows their beliefs are based solely on books written centuries ago when Unicorns,Dragons & Mermaids were presumed to exist by man even though nobody ever actually saw one.
 
If all the main religions are of a belief in a 'god' an all powerful creator of the universe then I think I have every right to criticise the teachings of religion & have no need to have any more than basic religious knowledge to know it is all based on myths & legends.
Not only is there no proof there is indeed no evidence of anything supernatural happening since the dawn of time to the present day.

The usual 'you know nothing about religion' & 'try reading the bible/koran' etc that posters in these threads usually ask simply adds more fuel to the fire in that it shows their beliefs are based solely on books written centuries ago when Unicorns,Dragons & Mermaids were presumed to exist by man even though nobody ever actually saw one.

You may think whatever you like, but you would only show your ignorance about the specific doctrines or beliefs that religions ascribe to.

Also Religions are not required to prove their assertions as it is a Faith Position not a Scientific one and no different from an Atheist Faith Position albeit they are the antithesis of each other so if you do require a religion to prove their allegations, then you should also be required to prove yours.

Neither of you can so the debate is moot unless you are debating the specificity of their Faith and for that you need at least some knowledge of their doctrine.
 
You may think whatever you like, but you would only show your ignorance about the specific doctrines or beliefs that religions ascribe to.

Also Religions are not required to prove their assertions as it is a Faith Position not a Scientific one and no different from an Atheist Faith Position albeit they are the antithesis of each other so if you do require a religion to prove their allegations, then you should also be required to prove yours.

Neither of you can so the debate is moot unless you are debating the specificity of their Faith and for that you need at least some knowledge of their doctrine.

Evidence that there is no god or supreme being is all around us & if there was a god where is he when the planet needs him most? The answer is so obvious that millions are blinded by the truth.
There is vastly more proof/evidence that there is no god than there is evidence/proof that there is which is nill

The sole survivor of an Earthquake or flood that wiped out his entire family & killed 150,000 people crawls out the wreckage & says ' there is a god, he saved me so therefore god is good.
 
If all the main religions are of a belief in a 'god' an all powerful creator of the universe then I think I have every right to criticise the teachings of religion & have no need to have any more than basic religious knowledge to know it is all based on myths & legends.
Not only is there no proof there is indeed no evidence of anything supernatural happening since the dawn of time to the present day.

The usual 'you know nothing about religion' & 'try reading the bible/koran' etc that posters in these threads usually ask simply adds more fuel to the fire in that it shows their beliefs are based solely on books written centuries ago when Unicorns,Dragons & Mermaids were presumed to exist by man even though nobody ever actually saw one.

Correct, to answer 'but it's based on faith' as an argument isn't an answer it's simply a rediculius statement, the quoted poster has hit the nail on the head. If someone says there religion is a personal life philosophy that they want to follow I'll give them some credit - but to say it's a plausible answer for the nature of the universe is rediculus
 
Evidence that there is no god or supreme being is all around us

name 1

why does a deity have to interfere with the planet.
In fact if you have free will haw can a deity interferer. If a deity did something you requested they would automatically takeaway someone elses free will.

In other words you don't have a clue and are making your self look silly.

but to say it's a plausible answer for the nature of the universe is rediculus
Why, big bang and natural selection is exactly that a plausible explanation. There is no way you can prove the mechanism behind it, science can't and probably never can answer that question.
 
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name 1

In other words you don't have a clue and are making your self look silly.

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name one what? Evidence that there is no supreme being :rolleyes:

I'm making myself look silly am I by pointing out that the very fact that yours & others apparent god does nothing , never appears other than to people having serious mental delusions ,watches millions of innocent children die of starvation & in floods & other catastrophies all around the world is all the evidence I need that he does not exist because if he did he would have to be considered a waste of space wouldn't he.

name one speck of evidence that he does exist & we'll see who lives in a fantasy world of make believe

I'll wait for you to make yourself look silly by posting biblical quotes because there really is nothing else you can post in your favour if all the major religious faiths are based on ancient text is there?
 
name one what? Evidence that there is no supreme being :rolleyes:
You said you could name millions, come on name one.


I'm making myself look silly am I by pointing out that the very fact that yours & others apparent god does nothing ?

I don't believe in a deity. Neither do I take science out of it's concept and use it for something it was never designed to do.

Again why does a Deity have to interfere, who says it would have to interfere. Also if a Deity gave us free will how would a deity inter-fer without removing free will?
 
You said you could name millions, come on name one.
Name millions of what exactly? reasons to believe there is no god? all around the world is evidence that there is no god & I thought I had just given some rather obvious examples of why people are deluded to believe in an all powerful being that seemingly has none or if so chooses to ignore the plight of the people he supposedly created in his own image.
 
all around the world is evidence that there is no god .

Come on name them, what's so hard about it. Or is it because the so called evidence does not exist unless you make massive assumptions based on your own faith.

If you're talking Christianity, then not ignored, or he would not say anything about the second coming. But until then we are on our own again explain how free will would work with an interfering Deity.
 
I don't believe in a deity. Neither do I take science out of it's concept and use it for something it was never designed to do.

your putting your own personal belief that there is no deity which is somewhat irrelevant whereas I am speaking of Christianity/Islam etc as a whole where they wholeheartedly do believe in a supreme being.

Having a sister who is a devout Christadelphian & having to listen to endless family arguments as I grew up puts me in good stead to see how deluded people can get with religion & how it can control their lives.
 
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your putting your own personal belief that there is deity which is somewhat irrelevant

So you can't read as well then.
I do not believe in a Deity.

Having a sister who is a devout Christadelphian & having to listen to endless family arguments as I grew up puts me in good stead to see how deluded people can get with religion & how it can control their lives.

What does that show, people get deluded in all aspects of life and in numerous different things.
 
Come on name them, what's so hard about it. Or is it because the so called evidence does not exist unless you make massive assumptions based on your own faith.

If you're talking Christianity, then not ignored, or he would not say anything about the second coming. But until then we are on our own again explain how free will would work with an interfering Deity.


Jesus!! ( pun intended:p) what are you going on about? name what, is the fact that Jesus /god does not appear, does nothing, fiddles while Rome burns etc etc not proof that there is no almighty god who watches over us

PS. how can there be a second coming when there's not been a first? unless the only evidence is the bible of course :rolleyes:


EDIT So you can't read as well then.
I do not believe in a Deity.


that was a typo & well you could see & we all make them
 
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Jesus!! ( pun intended:p) what are you going on about? name what, is the fact that Jesus /god does not appear, does nothing, fiddles while Rome burns etc etc not proof that there is no almighty god who watches over us

PS. how can there be a second coming when there's not been a first? unless the only evidence is the bible of course :rolleyes:

You stated that there was evidence all around us that god DOES NOT exist. This is just not true. I would quite happily agree that there is no evidence I can accept that he exists, but to go from there to calling it evidence he does not exist would mean accepting that absence of evidence is evidence of absence. I would certianly say that the abrahamic god is unlikely considering the history of the world but that isn't proof he doesn't exist. There is no test you can do to test for God. If you can come up with a testable hypothesis for God you will be a very famous person.
 
You stated that there was evidence all around us that god DOES NOT exist. This is just not true. I would quite happily agree that there is no evidence I can accept that he exists, but to go from there to calling it evidence he does not exist would mean accepting that absence of evidence is evidence of absence. I would certianly say that the abrahamic god is unlikely considering the history of the world but that isn't proof he doesn't exist. There is no test you can do to test for God. If you can come up with a testable hypothesis for God you will be a very famous person.


The same argument can be applied to anything supernatural or mythical, I can't actually prove there are no Unicorns, mermaids & fairies or other mythical creatures etc. other than by their apparent absence but are you going to say that's not a good enough reason to doubt their existence ?
 
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