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Not at all, doubt their existence all you like, it is a perfectly rational stance. What you cannot say however is that there is evidence that they don't exist.
oh no, Spawn has hatched out
Oh no, Izzy still making himself look foolish when it comes to religion
.Are you still seething underground??..i mean you and your fellow extreme atheists??...ready to make your move and educate people on how bad religion is etc etc
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The onus of proof is on the person who makes an extraordinary claim - in the case of religion, that means it is up to the believer to produce evidence.
List please!
The claim in question is that there is evidence all around us that God does not exist. As I am not claiming he exists I am asking for the evidence to back up this claim.
Of course not, you have faith they don't exist, which is fine.
But you cannot categorically state there is proof that they don't exist and that there is ample evidence to support said statement. Because that's just silly
Definitions of faith:
1) religion: a strong belief in a supernatural power or powers that control human destiny; "he lost his faith but not his morality"
2)complete confidence in a person or plan etc; "he cherished the faith of a good woman"; "the doctor-patient relationship is based on trust"
3) religion: an institution to express belief in a divine power; "he was raised in the Baptist religion"; "a member of his own faith contradicted him"
4) loyalty or allegiance to a cause or a person; "keep the faith"; "they broke faith with their investors"
In this case your faith is to science and atheism. But that's still faith.
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I don't think anyone would actually need evidence to accept that they don't exist would they?
Do we now finally accept that the Loch Ness monster is a big money spinning hoax because the Loch has been repeatedly scoured with every electronic detection device on the planet & found nothing, no photographic proof other than hoaxes either.
Is that still not proof that it does not exist simply because they couldn't detect it?
Oh no, Izzy still making himself look foolish when it comes to religion
Are you still seething underground??..i mean you and your fellow extreme atheists??...ready to make your move and educate people on how bad religion is etc etc
My mate Spawn
you know it all makes sense in the real wold
My mate Spawn
you know it all makes sense in the real wold
Your mate??...lol no i dont keep mates like you around me who have absolutely no respect for other peoples beliefs or religion.
And funnily enough i do live in the real world...which many religious people do...we dont all live in a fairyland world which you atheists seem to think we do
...of course im religious but i dont go round ramming my views down others throats unlike yourself
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The evidence that god does not exist is simple, it's by his total absence, just the same as Unicorns, Fairies & hobgoblins don't exist except in books so there's a very good comparison with religion
No, it's evidence to support the hypothesis that Loch Ness doesn't exist. It's not proof at all. They're two completely seperate things.
So why did you say that there was evidence all around us that God doesn't exist? As an agnostic I do not believe in God, but I cannot categorically say "There is no God". Trust me, if there was concrete evidence that God does not exist I would be very happy about it. But there isn't any.
The difference here is that the Loch Ness Monster has physical characteristics that can be measured. So you can come up with tests to prove his existence. The very nature of God means that currently, no such tests exist. Come up with a test that can measure the presence or absence of god in the same way the tests to measure the presence or absence of the Loch Ness Monster and you can draw the comparision.
The evidence that god does not exist is simple, it's by his total absence, just the same as Unicorns, Fairies & hobgoblins don't exist except in books so there's a very good comparison with religion
So you are basically saying absence of evidence is evidence of absence. In that case, other than word of mouth, written literature and what people say they experience, prove to me that love exists.
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Your mate??...lol no i dont keep mates like you around me who have absolutely no respect for other peoples beliefs or religion.
And funnily enough i do live in the real world...which many religious people do...we dont all live in a fairyland world which you atheists seem to think we do
Spawn goes into nasty defensive attack mode as usual, expect this thread to go downhill rapidly from a more or less friendly discussion & exchange of views to baiting other posters whose view differs from his, & he says I have no respect
Spawn goes into nasty defensive attack mode as usual, expect this thread to go downhill rapidly from a more or less friendly discussion & exchange of views to baiting other posters whose view differs from his, & he says I have no respect
Not at all...im just pointing out a small little fact that people such as yourself i do not call friends nor do i associate myself with such people...nothing nasty about that.
Yeh great way to argue back eh??..oooh look a rolleyes
...and yes you have absolutely no respect for anyone religious...going by your various posts in the past
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What extrodanry claim did I make? He was the one who said he had evidence God did not exist.
Also go back and read the post about abscent of proof is not proof of absence or what ever it is.
Your mate??...lol no i don't keep mates like you around me who have absolutely no respect for other peoples beliefs or religion.
And funnily enough i do live in the real world...which many religious people do...we don't all live in a fairyland world which you atheists seem to think we do
Harsh! You support an institution that is piously unquestionable. In the rest of the world questioning things is normal - why can't we question religion? Why is it so offensive to the likes of yourself?
The extraordinary claim is that a god exists - the onus of proof is on the person making that claim, not on the person who questions it.
I don't need to re-read the quote as it has absolutely no bearing on my original statement.
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LOL it isnt
...get off your high horse for a second and point out where i have said its offensive for someone to question my religion...i dont recall ever saying that...what i have an issue with is people who purposely dis-respect someones religion or beliefs...meh at the end of the day its no big deal...probably its the way ive been brought up in that you dont dis-respect someones beliefs no matter how silly you may think they are..by all means question them but surely its not hard to do in a respectful way??.No, the claim in this instance was that there is evidence that God does not exist. As there is no test for God how can there be evidence that he does not exist?
I would agree if someone was saying to me "God does exist" I would also ask for proof. But that isn't what is being stated.
Because questioning religion is seen as an attack on their faith particularly when it involves something they cannot prove other than it was written in some ancient manuscript.
I'm with the very ignorant and disrespectfull ( by Spawns definition ) Marcus Brigstocke
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42p2SO5wQag