In a few of the engineering companies i've worked in, the people creating the wealth were paid less that the finance guys sitting upstairs. Considering there is supposed to be a shortage of engineers in this country, the idea of supply and demand doesnt seem to be working very well, lets face it finance people are 10 a penny.
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In a few of the engineering companies i've worked in, the people creating the wealth were paid less that the finance guys sitting upstairs. Considering there is supposed to be a shortage of engineers in this country, the idea of supply and demand doesnt seem to be working very well, lets face it finance people are 10 a penny.
Exactly, and who might these general public be ? Perhaps some of them just happen to be people that have bought into engineering companies and happen to be recruiters, etc.
I don't see what this has to do with the argument that technicians and similar being renamed engineers depreciates the earning potential of "true" engineers...
Besides - can you be sure that the finance guys are not earning more for the company than the engineers?
I think it's fair to assume that someone who recruits for a living is going to appreciate the difference between someone with professional qualifications and someone with none... They wouldn't be very effective recruiters otherwise.
I guess I'm just lucky to work in an engineering sector where this doesn't really happen.
What sort of sector/industry do you see this happening in?
Which is technically correct. The username and password are coded in to the router so you only have to plug it in.
It's possible to decode them (done it for my parents), but they won't give them out over the phone because it's dependant on the WEP key and serial of the box itself which they don't have access to in the call centre
Why the hell would their customer services not have access to the serial that is probably stored along with your account on their database?
going through years and years of education gives people the right to be recognised for it.
do you lie about being a doctor ?
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No, but I try not to flaunt it either... My drivers licence, passport and credit cards all still say "Mr". But that's just personal taste and not really relevant to the discussion.
Of course people have the right to recognition for their skills, training and education. But for someone to assume that possessing such skills gives them an exclusive right to use a particular job title strikes me as a little peculiar. Your skills don't alter if somebody else changes their job title...
You can opt for a self install if you are upgrading your internet connection.
Not with 50mb
IIRC that still requires an engineer as it needs slightly different (narrower) signal levels than the other tiers
I'm not sure that the devaluation of the engineering job title is linked to decreased pay. But I do think that it results in the welders saying you aren't a proper engineer.
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Excellent a minion
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=is-HVxmUELQ
On the subject of printer jamming
Mr Brunel was an engineer, maybe even one of the best, but I bet he didn't go round getting his knickers in a twist because somebody else who didn't build bridges, railways and ships went around calling themselves an "engineer"
I also wonder how good Mr Brunel would have been at fixing a printer or installing cable?
Back in those days if someone was using the term engineer whilst cleaning toilets they would probaably get beaten until they learned.
Unfortunately these days everyone tries to make them sound like something they arn't.
After giving someone a plaster and applying it onto a hurty finger, I don't call myself a Doctor, same thing applies to the term Engineer. At least the continent have got it right in terms of protecting the term
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You're right the job does not require an engineer, which is why they aren't sending you one. You're getting a fitter.
It used to bother me the whole engineer term when I had just finished uni, then I got into working as an Engineer and anyone who knows the difference doesn't make the mistake, so they can call themselves what ever they want.
Also for pay thing, us engineers get paid enough
KaHn
Also for pay thing, us engineers get paid enough
KaHn
Also for pay thing, us engineers get paid enough
Which is about half relative terms what an identical job in USA would pay
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Yes - he was (he installed "The Atlantic Cable")
Not what LordSplodge was getting at, but perhaps an unfortunate choice of example
Ops! I forgot about that.
I have a feeling that people get upset about the term "engineer" because it is applied to what certain people may see as a lesser or menial job. This doesn't happen with other professions. It's not like your TV fitter is called a Doctor or Lawyer is it?
At the end of the day a true engineer will be paid well and actually do some engineering.
Back in the "olden days" people just built stuff and worried about how to do that and push the boundaries rather than get upset that Joe Blogs was a dish washer but called himself an engineer.
You are sadly not correct. I've looked at both staff and contract positions here and else where in the world and tbh they don't come close.
But if you would like to back up your claim I'll glady spend some time to back up mine.
KaHn
And if I actually find a decent well paid engineering job when I get back from my US leave in November then I'll let you know.
Praying for a redundancy offer tbh
And if I actually find a decent well paid engineering job when I get back from my US leave in November then I'll let you know.
Praying for a redundancy offer tbh
I won't tell you what I'm on then at 26 then
KaHn
I won't tell you what I'm on then at 26 then
KaHn
Go on, I'm interested
I've just started work at 23, the pays not bad but I'm wondering how it compares to others.