Edit: How on earth did it change threads?!![]()
I've always wondered how people manage that! Multiple tabs?
Edit: How on earth did it change threads?!![]()
I have a BA in mathematics (Cambridge), an MSc in aeronautical engineering (Imperial), and a PhD from a mechanical engineering department (Nottingham). Does that make me a "proper" engineer in your eyes?
My point is simply that it doesn't really matter whether you call yourself an engineer or not - the roles of engineer and technician are rarely confused. And it isn't just people from the "proper" engineering side that get uppity about their title... Welders and fitters (such as my friends from back home) don't like "proper" engineers referring to themselves in that way either.
Just got off the phone to them. It's not going to be 2 weeks.
It's going to be a MONTH!
Are they really that short of 'engineers' or just v. busy?
I've never understood why people get so uppity about the term "engineer".
I have a BA in mathematics (Cambridge), an MSc in aeronautical engineering (Imperial), and a PhD from a mechanical engineering department (Nottingham). Does that make me a "proper" engineer in your eyes?![]()
The being offended on behalf of others aspect of it is ridiculous, imo.
[TW]Fox;17444510 said:I'm not offended on behalf of others, I just admire engineers. I think engineering is fantastic and I admire the contribution engineers make to society and the considerable expense and effort they must endure in order to make to become an engineer.
To hear somebody who fixes a printer or installs your Virgin cable referred to as an engineer is just a shame - it cheapens the term considerably to such an extent that most of the British public have no real idea what engineers do and how important to our society they are - they honestly think an engineer is the guy who comes to fix the photocopier when it jams.
It's just a damn shame, really.
Isambard Kingdom Brunel was an engineer. Dave from Virgin Media is not.
I call Hovis.
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[TW]Fox;17444510 said:Isambard Kingdom Brunel was an engineer. Dave from Virgin Media is not.
Wasnt he one of the first cable installers?
(the telegraph line between the US and the UK)
I think they are doing a lot of network work, and a lot of people that were getting their services "free" are suddenly starting to subscribe for some strange reason![]()
Really? Really? ~Proper engineers~ actually care that much? I'm not involved in anything to do with engineering, but I'd wager that ~proper engineers~ know who ~proper engineers~ are, and who are the ~technicians~... it's obvious to the general public, too. I see people who are ~proper engineers~ saying they don't actually care that much (Duff-Man in here, and Kahn in another thread I remember)... then I see people like [TW]Fox spazzing out about the use of the term engineer, when they have nothing to do with the industry/field. The being offended on behalf of others aspect of it is ridiculous, imo.
Mr Brunel was an engineer, maybe even one of the best, but I bet he didn't go round getting his knickers in a twist because somebody else who didn't build bridges, railways and ships went around calling themselves an "engineer"
I also wonder how good Mr Brunel would have been at fixing a printer or installing cable?![]()
As an engineer, I have mixed feelings about the whole usage of the word. The mis-use of the term engineer has devalued the profession to the point that pay is poor compared to other professions that demand an equal level of qualifications and constant development.
The mis-use of the term engineer has devalued the profession to the point that pay is poor compared to other professions that demand an equal level of qualifications and constant development.
As an engineer, I have mixed feelings about the whole usage of the word. The mis-use of the term engineer has devalued the profession to the point that pay is poor compared to other professions that demand an equal level of qualifications and constant development.