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We might not have kids but we are in our 20's.

I went to Uni and got a job after so I could buy cool stuff and go to cool places. I wouldnt have bothered if my Dad bought me cool stuff instead, why would I need to? :p

I have to agree with this. He's got it pretty good at the moment. Dad's helping him buy a Porsche, might as well keep delaying you for a few years before you get bored of telling him to so stuff.

You said you had a tough time, which is why you want to make it easier for him, but you're where you are today because you had a tough time not because you had it easy.

Anyways, back OT, would he not be interested in that 645i or similar, that looks pretty damn cheap?!
 
Hmmm, while Fox said it partly in jest I think, graduating for a car upgrade isn't really the right reason to get a degree at all. I think that will come in time though.

Your son will probably find that in a few more years he wants more, not just more money but more from life, more from his work ...something to challenge him, I don't know really since I don't know him, but I bet he will. That's probably when a degree will seem like a good idea to him.

Having said that, I've started to feel this way now (I'm 26), however I already have a degree, which is fortunate as what I am considering doing now (you were right about the electrical idea I had, that was really just something I thought might give me an easy route to Canada, that's a poor reason tbh, thus I have binned that), is something I wanted to do years ago but shied away from for various reasons. But, having a degree already gets me half way up the ladder ...if I hadn't gone to uni when I was 18 I'd have a much higher ladder to climb now and I'd probably be less inclined to bother. If you are wondering what I am on about, it's law, going to law school is something I fancied doing since I was a teenager but for a host of reasons I wont bore you with, I didn't, really I think it all just seemed to difficult and to take too long when I was 18-19.

Of course the reality now is, if I quit my job and studied full time, I could crack what I need to be a solicitor within 2 years ...which isn't so long really, if I hadn't already got a degree, it'd take 5 or 6 years. If I started in 2011, I could be working as a solicitor if everything went to plan by the time I was 30.

I guess my point is that there are advantages to doing a degree when you're younger, since you might find you want to do some post graduate education a bit later on, and you might find you have a much shorter road into it if you already have a degree. On the other hand there are advantages to waiting and doing a degree a bit later, in terms of having a better idea about what you want it for and being a bit more mature with regards to getting it done rather than being preoccupied with other things that are new when you're 18. At 21 though your son should have gotten over that ..wow I'm 18 I can do anything I want stage by now, 21 seems like a good age to get a degree actually.

Still if he really doesn't want to, I can't see anything good coming from trying to force the issue.

Is there something your son really wants to do with his life? ...something he may not even have told you. I was having a chat with Dad the other day about this law school idea and he thinks it's great. It just struck me the other day, why waste time with all the other bs ...why shouldn't I give something like that a shot, sure it's not easy but then good things rarely are. I know someone who is 40 whos doing it now and the way I see it, if he can do it I can ...he doesn't have the benefit of already having a degree though so he's got an awful lot to do first.
 
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Hmmm, while Fox said it partly in jest I think, graduating for a car upgrade isn't really the right reason to get a degree at all. I think that will come in time though.

Your son will probably find that in a few more years he wants more, not just more money but more from life, more from his work ...something to challenge him, I don't know really since I don't know him, but I bet he will. That's probably when a degree will seem like a good idea to him.

Having said that, I've started to feel this way now (I'm 26), however I already have a degree, which is fortunate as what I am considering doing now (you were right about the electrical idea I had, that was really just something I thought might give me an easy route to Canada, that's a poor reason tbh, thus I have binned that), is something I wanted to do years ago but shied away from for various reasons. But, having a degree already gets me half way up the ladder ...if I hadn't gone to uni when I was 18 I'd have a much higher ladder to climb now and I'd probably be less inclined to bother. If you are wondering what I am on about, it's law, going to law school is something I fancied doing since I was a teenager but for a host of reasons I wont bore you with, I didn't, really I think it all just seemed to difficult and to take too long when I was 18-19.

Of course the reality now is, if I quit my job and studied full time, I could crack what I need to be a solicitor within 2 years ...which isn't so long really, if I hadn't already got a degree, it'd take 5 or 6 years. If I started in 2011, I could be working as a solicitor if everything went to plan by the time I was 30.

I guess my point is that there are advantages to doing a degree when you're younger, since you might find you want to do some post graduate education a bit later on, and you might find you have a much shorter road into it if you already have a degree. On the other hand there are advantages to waiting and doing a degree a bit later, in terms of having a better idea about what you want it for and being a bit more mature with regards to getting it done rather than being preoccupied with other things that are new when you're 18. At 21 though your son should have gotten over that ..wow I'm 18 I can do anything I want stage by now, 21 seems like a good age to get a degree actually.

Still if he really doesn't want to, I can't see anything good coming from trying to force the issue.


What i wanted him to do was get into the diamond business like me, however you need a certain flair for that which he hasnt got.

Over the years we diversified, got a few pawn shops / scrap gold buying places and in recent years property to let.

So now it would be better for him to get a business degree, so he had an overall skill, am i making sense?

Or he could just forget the degree nonsense and get on and learn the skills less the paper like i did, but for that you need enthusiasm.

This subject is the bain of my life, i almost consider it pay back for being lucky.
 
It's fine you can go 30 odd in 1st anyway ;). 1 owner before me, fpsh, best colour combo...

It will be a fair amount cheaper also.

But its manual, you are welcome to have a go at his if you like though.

30k miles silver black leather, xenons sat nav, its a nice car. 2007 car.

2 owners including him.
 
What i wanted him to do was get into the diamond business like me, however you need a certain flair for that which he hasnt got.

Over the years we diversified, got a few pawn shops / scrap gold buying places and in recent years property to let.

So now it would be better for him to get a business degree, so he had an overall skill, am i making sense?

Or he could just forget the degree nonsense and get on and learn the skills less the paper like i did, but for that you need enthusiasm.

This subject is the bain of my life, i almost consider it pay back for being lucky.

Does he want to go into the diamond business though? ...is he really interested in doing that? ...does he just tell you what he thinks you want to hear?

This also explains why you chose 'DimaondMark' as your username :p
 
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But its manual, you are welcome to have a go at his if you like though.

30k miles silver black leather, xenons sat nav, its a nice car. 2007 car.

2 owners including him.

How much do you want for it? I'll do him a strait swap if he wants (say to him you've found him a car, it's not 100% perfect but you're not giving him any money so you suggest he takes it).
 
Does he want to go into the diamond business though? ...is he really interested in doing that? ...does he just tell you what he thinks you want to hear?

This also explains why you chose 'DimaondMark' as your username :p

The only diamonds hes interested in are the ones round the bezel of his watch.
 
Sorry I was trying not to comment on your personal situation you asked about a car and not how to bring up your children.

However, with me I was a lazy student and I only just managed to scrape through education). I hit around 25 and realised that I need to get my act together and actually put some effort into university before the kick me out (they did kick me out once but let me back in). Something changed in me over night and I have been a much better student since and actually managed to finished medical school this year.

Money did not motivate me to study as I did quite well without a degree anyway. I think I wanted my dad to be proud of me and the flash cars, watches and money did not mean a thing to my dad. What I am trying to say is don’t give up hope; he may eventually grow up and change his way of thinking.

Oh and to the car, boxter looks nice but hate the color combo
 
How much do you want for it? I'll do him a strait swap if he wants (say to him you've found him a car, it's not 100% perfect but you're not giving him any money so you suggest he takes it).

If your was auto i would put it to him, but he does want an auto.

Im not sure about his, what i would do is sell it to you for what i am offered part ex, which will make it 1500-2k cheaper than buying normally.
 
Sounds a bit like me Dr House, I had no real motivation when I was in my late teens early 20s either. I never got kicked out of uni though :p

Incidentally I wasn't trying to poke my nose in at all or anything like that. I was just trying to give some perspective on the situation based on what I know about it ...which basically comes entirely from what has been said here.

Medical school though eh, nice one :) ...incidentally I just paused an episode of House to come and have another look at the forums ...great program.

As for the car, well I was avoiding that issue since I can't say anything that hasn't already been said, the 330CI is a brilliant car anyway ...all I can say is get a good one ...you have the budget. I'm not keen on the one in the first post though, mainly for the reasons Fox outlined ...except I quite like the colour.
 
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Sounds a bit like me Dr House, I had no real motivation when I was in my late teens early 20s either. I never got kicked out of uni though :p

Incidentally I wasn't trying to poke my nose in at all or anything like that. I was just trying to give some perspective on the situation based on what I know about it ...which basically comes entirely from what has been said here.

Medical school though eh, nice one :) ...incidentally I just paused an episode of House to come and have another look at the forums ...great program.

I honestly dont mind the comments, if i did i wouldnt post it.

Its good to get other opinions because all i get in real life is people either agreeing with me because they are yes people, or mates that are sick of me moaning and tell me to just give him a dig, the universal answer to all problems.
 
The only diamonds hes interested in are the ones round the bezel of his watch.

Then maybe back off (Yes, even more :eek:) and wait for him to find something that he enjoys doing?

I know from personal experience that there is nothing more annoying/embarrassing than having a family member try and 'push' you into doing a degree, especially when you yourself don't really see the point. My grandmother is CONSTANTLY hinting for me to go to university. I know she does it because she loves me and wants me to better myself (at least in her eyes), but I can't help but personally see it as a bit of a put down, like what I'm doing isn't good enough for her :(. There is Nothing worse than feeling that your family is disappointed in you, even if they don't mean it.

Don't want to tell you how to raise your son, but just trying to give you a younger person's perspective.
 
I wouldn't worry too much just now anyway. He'll probably get it together in his mid 20s. He probably hasn't 'had' to grow up as fast as you perhaps did due to his circumstances, it doesn't mean that he wont though. This of course is predicated on me making various assumptions about various circumstances, but there ya go.
 
Sounds a bit like me Dr House, I had no real motivation when I was in my late teens early 20s either. I never got kicked out of uni though :p

Incidentally I wasn't trying to poke my nose in at all or anything like that. I was just trying to give some perspective on the situation based on what I know about it ...which basically comes entirely from what has been said here.

Medical school though eh, nice one :) ...incidentally I just paused an episode of House to come and have another look at the forums ...great program.

Yep I never even told my parents that they kicked me out, I spent the time growing my business and did very well for my self but really I am very lucky they let me back in since then I have managed to get a 1 in 90% of my exams .

I was not having a dig at you in my post.

And I love house:D
 
Im going to try the laid back idea, and not keep on at him.

Which is very hard mind but im going to try.
 
Would a business degree actually help him though?

I'd say he'd be better of just being taken under your wing, you obviously have a lot of experience that he could learn from!
 
Would a business degree actually help him though?

I'd say he'd be better of just being taken under your wing, you obviously have a lot of experience that he could learn from!

Its not the degree thats of much help but university teaches you how to think and round you off as a person.
 
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