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sigma said:
Would a business degree actually help him though?

I'd say he'd be better of just being taken under your wing, you obviously have a lot of experience that he could learn from!
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That would be great but iv sort of semi retired i only go in twice a week, and not at all while this ban is going on.

However i would go back full time if i thought he would absorb but i have my doubts, also we argue a lot.

The next thing would be would be to have someone else train him up, but we have kept managers separate for a reason, ie we dont have general managers we have one for each venture.

So that would mean him learning each thing in turn and again he needs to be keen.

Which he aint, iv caught him playing WoW in the office before now, thats what he got the sack the last time for lol
 
Dr House said:
Its not the degree thats of much help but university teaches you how to think and round you off as a person.
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A lot of people drop out though and as he has no motivation to go then there's a high chance of him being one of those. If he somehow finds a role in the business that he enjoys it might push him to want to do well.

Quite a sad situation really, most of us here would jump at the chance he's being given!

DiamondMark said:
That would be great but iv sort of semi retired i only go in twice a week, and not at all while this ban is going on.

However i would go back full time if i thought he would absorb but i have my doubts, also we argue a lot.

The next thing would be would be to have someone else train him up, but we have kept managers separate for a reason, ie we dont have general managers we have one for each venture.

So that would mean him learning each thing in turn and again he needs to be keen.

Which he aint, iv caught him playing WoW in the office before now, thats what he got the sack the last time for lol
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Hmm, at uni with nobody breathing down your neck and parents miles and miles away, he'd no doubt be the same then.
 
I think it would help him, an MBA is quite a multi-skilled degree, the way you get asked to look at things and think about things at uni is a big help really, later on. However I do think that if you're going to do one, you need to know why you are doing it and how it's likely to help you.

Understanding how the different parts of an organisation work and what they do and why is a big one. Although I think a large part of running a business is down to personality and drive, you've got to know how to handle people and get them to do what you want ...which isn't something everyone can do.

That's about the limit of my experience though.
 
Well yea, although given that you can do an MBA in 4 years I'd go that route if I wanted a business degree. You get a bachelors after 3 years and then a further year to turn it into a masters degree. I'm not sure weather a placement would be of much help to his son, ...I don't know though, maybe it would. In which case the bachelors would take 4 years.

It might actually help seeing another organisation being run and being around some different people, that aren't related to him etc.
 
What about something part time, say 2 days a week, id just love him to go and get something, **** it anything.
 
Moeks said:
Well yea, although given that you can do an MBA in 4 years I'd go that route if I wanted a business degree.
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A proper, well respected MBA cannot be completed from scratch in 4 years. Most of them require professional experience anyway.

Are you confusing MBA - which is very specific and has very specific meaning - with a Business Masters?
 
A part-time degree will take much, much longer!

Sounds like some sort of apprenticeship will be better but then again, he needs to actually want to do it because otherwise it would just be a waste.
 
I was talking about a Masters in Business Administration, specifically. Which if you want to look at running a business, is the one to do I think.
 
[TW]Fox;17453846 said:
A proper, well respected MBA cannot be completed from scratch in 4 years. Most of them require professional experience anyway.

Are you confusing MBA - which is very specific and has very specific meaning - with a Business Masters?
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Im lost, this is half the problem, i dont even know what it is i want him to do, im going to get his sister to read this and explain it.
 
sigma said:
A lot of people drop out though and as he has no motivation to go then there's a high chance of him being one of those.
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True, we lost 100 our 138 students on our course but thats a little different to most uni's.


Joshy said:
Surely no more (arguably less) than going directly into work?
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I have never had a job other then working for my self so I cant comment but I think uni teaches you a lot which you will not get going directly to work.

Have you thought about getting him on a part time degree?

EDIT sorry the above posts where not there when I started typing.
 
Dr House said:
True, we lost 100 our 138 students on our course but thats a little different to most uni's.




I have never had a job other then working for my self so I cant comment but I think uni teaches you a lot which you will not get going directly to work.

Have you thought about getting him on a part time degree?
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A part time might be good, it gets him in that learning environment without it being full blast so he gets sick of it.

He got 2 A levels so he can do it, hes just lazy.
 
DiamondMark said:
A part time might be good, it gets him in that learning environment without it being full blast so he gets sick of it.

He got 2 A levels so he can do it, hes just lazy.
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yep and the people around him will all be older and working people not lazy 18 year old students that want to get wasted or stoned half the week.

It may also help if he does something that is connected to his job as he will be able to see the processes they are teaching him being implemented into a business that he is working in.
 
Moeks said:
I was talking about a Masters in Business Administration, specifically. Which if you want to look at running a business, is the one to do I think.
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I disagree, an MBA is useful if you wish to get to a very high level in the corporate world. A conventional business degree, or a masters degree in a business subject subsequently, is suitable for running your own business.

A proper MBA is overkill, and hard to get anyway (Which is why its so valuable).
 
DiamondMark said:
Im lost, this is half the problem, i dont even know what it is i want him to do, im going to get his sister to read this and explain it.
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Trouble is Mark, if he's forced by you to do something that you want him to do, will he do it?

Did you tell him to take the job that he doesn't really care about? If so, that might explain why he is the way he is.
 
sigma said:
Trouble is Mark, if he's forced by you to do something that you want him to do, will he do it?

Did you tell him to take the job that he doesn't really care about? If so, that might explain why he is the way he is.
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At first he worked for i think 5 of my mates, each one lasted a few months, in the end i had to tell him to work for me rather than inflict him on others, at one time he thought the working day started at 11 and ended at 3.30 with an hour for lunch.

However the last year or so he now does manage a 5 day week, which is good :)

**** it, iv just got to laugh, let him get on with it, he will see the light in the end.
 
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