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McDonalds Goop™ *note, the video in the first post has NOTHING to do with McDonalds*
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Well, at least you know it wasn't MRM then eh?
Birds Eye? Oh yes, they're a real high-end product.Well, that's what their marketing department would have you believe. Only it's frozen...
Of course - Michel Roux, Gary Rhodes, Heston Blumenthal - they all use frozen don't they? Yep . Quality!
Well they should as it makes for the best food apart from eating it directly from the animal / field. No additives or preservatives needed except ice which locks in the taste and goodness.
How 'fresh' do you suppose the stuff on supermarket shelves is?
Actually, yes. They do. It's called Contract or Toll Manufacture in Dedicated Factories. The supermarket produces a specification and puts it out to tender. Very often that tender process will involve the conversion or construction of a dedicated production facility. Certainly, they will want the potatoes, carrots etc. that they grow to be for them so they can ensure that the wrong herbicides etc. are not applied and that the workers employed to tend and harvest the crops are treated properly. You would not believe what the supermarkets control to ensure you get a quality, consistent product.
There is a pork producer in Norfolk that only does pork for Tesco. And two poultry factories that send 99% of their output to Marks & Spencer. I could go on about how Kellogs don't make cornflakes for anyone else and precisely how a McVities Jaffa cake is different to a Tesco Jaffa cake but as I've already pointed all this out on page 2 of this thread, maybe you should read it all.
Well, they certainly have areas where they won't take fish from (the Baltic mainly).
I know exactly how fresh the food is. What fresh food would you like me to extemporise on?
Fresh chicken? - The use by date on most fresh chicken is day of kill (DOK) plus 8 or 9 days. You need one day to mature the meat if you are going to butcher it, so the earliest you can have it in a supermarket is DOK+1 at which point you have a week to take it home and eat it. Most supermarkets have a minimum (depot) shelf life of 5 days so it's never delivered to the supermarket with less than 5 days life ie. it's less than 3 days from day of kill.
Birds Eye frozen chicken is the chicken that the life expires on and it goes to the freezer because it can no longer be sold as fresh because it has inadequate shelf-life left.
Peas are frozen in the field because if you don't they turn to mush in the freezer. If they could take them back to the factory, they would.
Sorry, but you REALLY don't know what you are talking about.
Well, at least you know it wasn't MRM then eh?
Birds Eye? Oh yes, they're a real high-end product.
Of course - Michel Roux, Gary Rhodes, Heston Blumenthal - they all use frozen don't they? Yep . Quality!
did I say they were quality? They're far better then the cheapo economy burgers.
i was the same about chickens! i once bought one and i was just about to put it in the oven when i saw it was full of bones i just looked at it stunned with a WTF
look on my face then i noticed something even stranger, it was covered in skin! it made me feel sick.once had a tbone steak aswell came with a fricking BONE!
No, they're not. Unless you're talking about the Goblin brand tinned ones in gravy?
Sorry.
i was the same about chickens! i once bought one and i was just about to put it in the oven when i saw it was full of bones i just looked at it stunned with a WTF
once had a tbone steak aswell came with a fricking BONE!
Its not quite the same thing when you expect a bone to be there. Biting down hard on a shard of bone in a chicken burger isn't nice.
This thread is hilarious. 2 people (WJA96 and ShadowMan) who know what they are talking about, a few interested observers, and then droves of uninformed, misinformed, ignorant people.
What a horrendous advert for educated society most of you are.
WJA96 & ShadowMan, thanks for the info (and no, I don't mean the Jesus.jpg) It's great that people with genuine knowledge in the field are prepared to (try to) educate the masses.
What a horrendous advert for educated society most of you are.
WJA96 & ShadowMan, thanks for the info (and no, I don't mean the Jesus.jpg) It's great that people with genuine knowledge in the field are prepared to (try to) educate the masses.
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I couldnt agree more. I've tried to reply to this thread on several occasions but each time ended up pressing 'Back' as I couldn't do it without getting myself banned. Some of the utter, utter tripe being recycled (pun intended) by people here who think they know what they are talking about is just ridiculous. Even worse is the blatantly misleading thread title.
Thanks for bothering WJA96 - you can tell you know exactly what you are talking about by the way every post you make is grammatically decent and not full of emotion and hyperbole. You've done incredibly well not to get very frustrated with this thread.
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Thanks for your reply, it's good to hear the alternative argument on these subjects, rather than rely on what I had seen and heard on various documentaries. I'm surprised documentary makers can get away with misleading people as they seem to have done in this case.
However I do still have some questions about MRM, the way you have described the process that Subway make their meat is vastly different from what I've been lead MRM to be. If they are steamed/cooked pork shoulders why is it labelled MRM? Or is my earlier comment and understanding about MRM (effectively minced leftovers) totally untrue/wrong?
Having just got back from work and read through the stuff I missed, I would like to highlight this one comment to point out a bit of real life for you and maybe to take away some of the mystery of the production of the breaded chicken you eat.
In the factories I work for, we produce Breaded, RTE (Ready To Eat), RTC (Ready to Cook), Whole Muscle, Value and whole bird chicken products. That basically means that as a company we produce anything from a value nugget to a whole organic chicken ready for roasting. In the same factories we produce chicken kievs, dippers and popcorn chicken/pops depending on brand. Infact we even produce the butter pellets which go into the Kievs!
ALL of these products are pretty much for every single major supermarket, brand and retailer. This ranges anywhere from own branded cheap value products for Tesco, Morrisons, Sainsbury's etc right up to the high end own brand products for the same and the major branded products (BE, KFC, Wimpy etc).
These products all have their own recipes. This recipe is customer driven and drives a product model and specification we work to. These product models in turn drive in a materials requirement based on what we are making on any single day or week. Every ingredient is ordered from a range of customer approved suppliers to go into their product only. The ingredients will never be transferred between customer products unless the supplier and grade is exactly the same and to spec. There is no big stockpile of meat which is just thrown into any old product. Each customer requires certain things on their materials. Get any of it wrong and you wont be selling it to them.
Every ingredient, packaging item, label and item that will touch the produce is inspected at receipt from supplier, re-checked at every step of the production line and depending on recipe is either frozen or chilled (Frozen versus Fresh products). Some customers require fresh only based on their marketing. This means that NO frozen ingredients can go into it. WJA96 has already alluded to DOK (Date of Kill) for meats and this is strictly controlled. Any meat arriving onsite which we cannot use within the DOK of the customer specification is returned to supplier. We order it on a daily basis to exacting amounts to ensure we can deliver quality products for human consumption.
All end products are sampled by in-house technical teams who cook, taste, review and score every product sample. These samples will also be tested micro-biologically for anything that should be there. This happens every hour of every day.
Frozen meats are used for frozen products but do follow the same standards.
As for the above, I can pretty much guarantee that the BE (BirdsEye) products you are eating are made in the same factories as the own brand supermarket ones. BE might have a slightly different recipe to the others but trust me when I say that bone is not included in any of our products (Except those explicitly calling for it eg marinated drumsticks). What you will have had is a one off error which can happen. When you produce any product at great volume it is a given that every so often something gets through. Question to ask is did you file a complaint with the supermarket? These things are taken seriously and every pack on the shelf can be tracked back through the paperwork to the date and time it was produced and in which factory. Infact we can tell you who the operative using packing terminal was if it comes back to us.
Every factory is accountable and if you are not satisfied, ensure that you tell someone. Investigations do happen and it helps everyone improve their production methods.
Anyone wanting to know more about Food Science and Production should really do some reading. Feel free to ask more questions. I, and I am sure WJA96 will answer the best we can but please make sure you leave the media prejudice at the door. It is not like you most likely saw on TV or read in a magazine. Food production is a multi-billion pound industry and it more tightly controlled than you can imagine.
As a little stat for those wanting to gauge the size of food production and chicken use in the UK etc. As a business, the company I work for kills just over 4 million chickens per week (1.3 million in a single factory). We will then process these to produce the stuff you eat everyday. Those 4 million do not cover our meat/flesh requirements and we buy in a lot more.
Anyone think we could manage those numbers without some very big authorities and governing bodies watching over our shoulders? Also remember we are only 1 of the many many business doing this on a daily basis.
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All I can say is that the economy beef burgers we used to get were full of gristle. This was probably 5-6 years ago, so they might have changed now. I've never had this with BE burgers and that's why I buy them. I fail to see how this makes me uninformed and ignorant. I'm basing it on my own experience.
What I said about never eating breaded chicken products from supermarkets is also due to the fact they contain gristle and bone. Again, this was years ago when I last had any so it could be different now. I'm not saying BE are any different to other chicken products as I don't eat them so couldn't say.
What I said about never eating breaded chicken products from supermarkets is also due to the fact they contain gristle and bone. Again, this was years ago when I last had any so it could be different now. I'm not saying BE are any different to other chicken products as I don't eat them so couldn't say.
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Thanks for taking the time to type that out ShadowMan, some of the posts in this thread have been really interesting, but the bit quoted about really stood out for me! I had no idea it was so many! Thinking about it logically (number of people in the U.K) I guess it's not surprising, but still, that's a hell of a lot of birds.
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ShadowMan is telling us pretty definitively that it has.
One thing I'd like to ask though ShadowMan. We often hear about how fast food meat products have really high levels of fat in them, if they are using just chicken and nothing else (although as you say this differs from customer to customer) why is this?
