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AMD rebranding 57xx series to 67xx series

We'll have to wait and see. It would be disappointing for AMD to have a 6870 which is slower than the 5870, but even that is nothing more than a rumour (on both the renaming and the speed).

As for Fermi being only slightly better than AMD's tech, I guess you could argue that being the first gen, there's plenty of development to go, while AMD's current architecture is longer in the tooth. Having said that, the next AMD release (after 6xxx) is meant to be new architecture anyway isn't it? If so, we may just see AMD playing catch up to Nvidia again.

What I don't understand is how AMD can do no wrong in some people's eyes. "It's better than Nvidia's renaming" - aside from Nvidia shrunk the die from 65nm to 55nm? Can't see AMD doing that...

At the end of the day, they're both companies, they both have marketing divisions, whose job is to basically mislead people into buying products. One is no better than the other, and the product that suits you best is the one you should buy.
 
RavenXXX2 said:
Marine-RX179 +1, the 5*** is basically a beefed up 4*** series with DX11 tacked on, and it's more of the same with the 6*** series, nothing special about it at all, at least Nvidia went and designed a new architecture which actually shines with DX11 performance, tessellation anyone.
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wheres your proof of this ?
 
chaotic_uk said:
wheres your proof of this ?
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I think he's referring to the Dirt2 results. Despite the game is 'supposingly' ATI optimised, the Nvidia cards still ahead by a fair margin.

And dual-GPU to single GPU aside, 5870 was pretty much only on par with 4870x2, but cooler, with Eyefinity and added dx11 support. Performance wise it hasn't moved forward much.
 
Marine-RX179 said:
I think he's referring to the Dirt2 results. Despite the game is 'supposingly' ATI optimised, the Nvidia cards still ahead by a fair margin.

And dual-GPU to single GPU aside, 5870 was pretty much only on par with 4870x2, but cooler, with Eyefinity and added dx11 support. Performance wise it hasn't moved forward much.
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But you cant put that dual GPU to single GPU aside as that's the whole point that the single GPU of the 5870 is twice as fast as a single 4870 & then say its performance has not improved much.

Its the extras like Eyefinity and added dx11 support that should get put aside because you can have many generations increasing in power on the same DX for years, just like DX9 was around for years but you didn't get people moaning a new more powerful card has been released on the current DX.

Dirt2" still runs better on the 5xxx than it does on the 4xxx on the same DX.
 
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Final8y said:
But you cant put that dual GPU to single GPU aside as that's the whole point that the single GPU of the 5870 is twice as fast as a single 4870 & then say its performance has not improved much.
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No need to state the obvious. My point is that it there was no real worthwhile upgrade for people that own 4870x2 or SLI GTX260/275/280 owners, except for 5970 or CF5850/5870 that will break the bank.

Also let's face it...do we care more about the achievement being able to provide the same performance of on a card using a single GPU instead of two, or do we care more about the price vs performance?

Dual or single GPU, the fact remained that the 5000 £300 card only offered the same level of performance/speed as the 4000 £300...it's as simple as that. 5850 aside (thanks to it's overclockabilitiy), the rest of the lower card are also only around 4870, 4890 level.

GPU performance per core has increased yes, but the performance for a single card has not really changed.
 
To be fair, there are only two ways technology can progress. It can either expand its architecture and framework or it can be made cheaper, more efficient and streamlined.

In the current generation, fundamentally nVidia went one way and AMD the other. It is a huge simplification but it stands mostly true. The problem with nVidia is that they came so late to the party that the market had been swayed and simply put, while a lot of consumers like ones you find at Overclockers might be likely to choose nVidia, their position in the marketplace for this generation has been a rather sorry one.

Now, it seems like ATI wants to continue going down their current path of technology optimisation as it were. That is fine. They still need to be as competitive as they were with the introduction of the 5000 series. This rebranding really does not matter much to people on these forums. Essentially, if you buy any graphics card solely on the name of the brand and they hype before the launch of the product, you get what you deserve.

For the mass market, once again they have to be able to completely outprice nVidia to see success like they had with the 5000s. I doubt this will happen, but we just need to wait and see. The proof is in the performance and the price, neither of which are revealed to us yet.
 
Yea I agree. Guess we'll have to wait to see the prices range. The 5770/5850/5870 rebrand to whatever named 6000 card for all I care, as long as they are fair bit cheaper than the current price ranges :D
 
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I dont believe Amd will change the '6770' and rename it to the '6870' as their naming strategy is well established and I dont believe they are as underhand as Nvidia are. I believe the new '6770' will be the '5770' replacement and priced accordingly, with the usual price gouging of course, around £140-£150. The '6870' will be the new single fastest card and priced around £300-£350. These are only my opinions but are loosely based on what has gone before. Oh yea of little faith.;)
 
Marine-RX179 said:
No need to state the obvious. My point is that it there was no real worthwhile upgrade for people that own 4870x2 or SLI GTX260/275/280 owners, except for 5970 or CF5850/5870 that will break the bank.

Also let's face it...do we care more about the achievement being able to provide the same performance of on a card using a single GPU instead of two, or do we care more about the price vs performance?

Dual or single GPU, the fact remained that the 5000 £300 card only offered the same level of performance/speed as the 4000 £300...it's as simple as that. 5850 aside (thanks to it's overclockabilitiy), the rest of the lower card are also only around 4870, 4890 level.

GPU performance per core has increased yes, but the performance for a single card has not really changed.
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The majority don't have CF or SLI so the majority do have a worth while upgrade.

And now the bit that most 4870x2, CF & SLI users will do is up grade to 5870x2, CF & SLI on the 5xxx & NV 4xx so again worth while upgrade for all if more performance is required.
 
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