Friend rolled his car...

thepeganator · 12 Oct 2010 at 15:02

paradigm said:
Takes a lot more space for it to be a "safe" overtake in a 1.2 punto compared to something with a decent amount of kick.

Of course it matters. One engine capable of (for example) 30-70 in 10 seconds, or another capable of 30-70 in 4 seconds, which is safer to perform an overtake with?

Exactly why my dad modified his 9-5, felt so safe overtaking in that, now with my 1.6 Cordoba it feels slightly more risky, am a lot more picky!

Prophet · 12 Oct 2010 at 15:04

merlin said:
Clearly it wasn't safe, hence the accident.

You can't pull an overtake in a weak car unless you know you have the space to do so - so I'd say the car is an issue - it couldn't pull off the overtake quickly enough.

Did I say it was safe?

The driver is at fault not the car. The car didn't make the decision to overtake the driver did.

He should have know the car wouldn't allow him to safely overtake rather than chance it.

Django x2 · 12 Oct 2010 at 15:07

Orange Peel said:
If it was safe to overtake it wouldn't matter what the car was.

The car isn't the real issue here, is it?

It doesnt matter what the engine and car is, its about the desicion made at the time and wether it was safe to make it in the given situation. Or would a larger capacity engine a couple more cylinders and a BMW badge have got him round safely in the same situation?

Clearly it does. Part and parcel of overtaking is understanding your car and it's capabilities. This person didn't know bring those variable into the mix and so he was at risk.

I once overtook a lorry in what I thought was plenty of room in a 2.0 diesel. It wasn't, and If the road hadn't been wider to allow the lorry coming the other way to go to his left, I wouldn't be typing this. However, I can absolutely promise that the exact same situation in my current car would have meant I could have pulled back in, probably before the other lorry was anywhere near me.

To overtake two cars in a 1.2, withouth having the straight line visibility of several football fields is probably asking for trouble

Gaygle · 12 Oct 2010 at 15:08

Peerzy said:
I had a 1.2 Punto Mk2 and have no idea how someone could possible have rolled it.

I had a 1.1 Punto Mk1 and i can totally appreciate how somebody could have rolled the damn thing.

Morba · 12 Oct 2010 at 15:08

Relentless81 said:
Sorry I didnt manage to read the bit where Fox and Paradigm were sat in the back of the car

OP, your mate needs a faster car and all over taking manouvers will then be safe

Personally i'd say the desicion to overtake was the issue, not the car

Surely the performance of the car you are in is factored into the 'is it safe' calculation?
Are you silly or just bashing fox again?

[TW]Fox · 12 Oct 2010 at 15:09

Nobody is saying it wasn't the driver. It clearly was.

We just think he is a fool for attempting a double overtake in a car with 50bhp.

Janesy B · 12 Oct 2010 at 15:10

As a driver as a low powered car, with 88BHP it's hard enough completing an overtake of a tractor, let a lone a two car overtake so I can appreciate why he managed to make an epic balls up of it. Lesson learned, I hope.

paradigm · 12 Oct 2010 at 15:10

[TW]Fox;17558681 said:
Nobody is saying it wasn't the driver. It clearly was.

We just think he is a fool for attempting a double overtake in a car with 50bhp.

Quite.

It takes a special idiot to not only contemplate a double overtake on a short stretch of road (regardless of car), but to contemplate it on something about as fast as a horse and cart is just biblically ridiculous.

ubersonic · 12 Oct 2010 at 15:10

Feel really sorry for your mate, did he get the licence number of the prat who caused the accident? the highway code it pretty straight foreward on this, you do not accelerate while somebody is overtaking you. I hate it when ******'s do that

If he was doing a constant 30mph in an NSL that's dangerous driving, ive no idea what exactly accelerating while being overtaken constitutes (dangerous driving, driving without due care and attention, etc?) just that its wrong, but he obviously wasn't following the highway code properly and as a result forced your friend to perform an evasive manoeuvre that caused him to lose control of a vehicle, if it was me id be on the phone to my solicitor right now.

[TW]Fox · 12 Oct 2010 at 15:11

Morba said:
Surely the performance of the car you are in is factored into the 'is it safe' calculation?
Are you silly or just bashing fox again?

I think his intentions were clear from him bringing BMW into a thread about a fiat.

Relentless81 · 12 Oct 2010 at 15:13

Morba said:
Surely the performance of the car you are in is factored into the 'is it safe' calculation?
Are you silly or just bashing fox again?

I'm picking up on the comment he made about the guys car and of course the performance is factored into it theres just a way of putting it that doesnt make it out to be "your cars no good why overtake" when it could have been, "your car isnt powerful enough to overtake in that situation"

[TW]Fox;17558697 said:
I think his intentions were clear from him bringing BMW into a thread about a fiat.

Like you've never done anything similar

VFR_KID · 12 Oct 2010 at 15:15

Rolled a C2 GT came round a corner and the Offside slid out. Over corrected causing the back nearside wheel to hit a boulder ripping off the alloy and suspension. Front nearside dug into the ditch car rolled 3 times and ripped off the whole front suspension and brake assembly. Every window smashed and a dent in every panel. Was how can we put it bloody impressive wreck. Hand on heart was my fault and paid the consequences. Learned a lot from it to.

Never got pictures of it. However here is one from when I tried to take my own life, also had a knife stuck in me. Laugh about all that now and in a far better place

paradigm · 12 Oct 2010 at 15:16

Relentless81 said:
"your cars no good why overtake"

Where did ANYONE say that?

Morba · 12 Oct 2010 at 15:16

Relentless81 said:
I'm picking up on the comment he made about the guys car and of course the performance is factored into it theres just a way of putting it that doesnt make it out to be "your cars no good why overtake" when it could have been, "your car isnt powerful enough to overtake in that situation"

But he is right, it wasn't any good for what he was doing and considering you have changed it to possibly something else you know what he meant.

Relentless81 · 12 Oct 2010 at 15:17

paradigm said:
Where did ANYONE say that?

[TW]Fox;17558517 said:
Two car overtake in a 1.2 Punto?

Sigh

Janesy B · 12 Oct 2010 at 15:17

Relentless81 is fast becoming TBL V2.0.

Relentless81 · 12 Oct 2010 at 15:22

Janesy B said:
Relentless81 is fast becoming TBL V2.0.

Thanks I think, arguing for the sake of arguing is fun. I can see why everyone else does it, the last 20 mins sped up significantly

paradigm · 12 Oct 2010 at 15:22

Relentless81 said:

Right, so which part of that says "that car isn't worthy of being used on the road and should be a 6-pot BMW"?

Relentless81 · 12 Oct 2010 at 15:24

paradigm said:
Right, so which part of that says "that car isn't worthy of being used on the road and should be a 6-pot BMW"?

Do you and Fox have sleep overs?

The bit where I want to be a nob because of what Fox said in his original post in this thread, IE why should he get away with slating someones car when its clearly not the car thats at fault it was the person who's driving it, he should learn to take as much as he gives out and you should learn not to get upset when he does

Maccy · 12 Oct 2010 at 15:24

Relentless81 said:
Thanks I think, arguing for the sake of arguing is fun. I can see why everyone else does it, the last 20 mins sped up significantly

Arguing for the sake of arguing may get you a holiday