Crazy religious woman?

RDM said:
Surely the only "fact" is that the majority of people ticked a particular box on a survey. It doesn't actually tell you anything more than that. Unless of course you also believe we do in fact have so many thousand Jedi in the UK.
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I'm ticking Jedi next year :)
 
rypt said:
I'm not some biblical scholar to give you more references, but I do know that the church used scripture as a means to say why Galileo was wrong
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It says that the world cannot be moved, but doesn't state which "world" that is. A lot of passages use "world" to mean, essentially, the Middle East. It also depends on how you interpret whether something can be moved. It's all just figurative stuff anyway, bigging up God.

As for the sun rising and setting... everyone uses those terms, even astrophysicists who know more about the motion of the plants than you and I put together. Even if it's not accurate, it's the given way of describing the motion of the sun.

Besides, even if the Bible is not scientifically accurate, Augustine got there before you - in the 4th Century - and stated that where the Bible and the observable world are in contradiction on a scientific point, then our interpretation of the Biblical texts is incorrect. With that in mind, I'm not particularly troubled that you can find scientifically dubious interpretations of the Biblical words. The interpretations are wrong.
 
jp_bl_68 said:
Fair enough. But changing the date so it has no religious connotations would lead to confusion and keeping AD/BC is offensive/insensitive to some people (apparently). Simply changing to CE/BCE but keeping the date the same sounds like reasonable compromise to me.
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Changing it to CE/BCE is offensive/insensitive to some people, so that's not a winning solution either. I see it as dishonesty, not compromise - you're keeping an entirely religious calendar and pretending it isn't religious although it obviously is.

We've changed the units we used and we've changed our currency, both of which are far more intrusive changes than choosing a different time to start numbering years from. We'd just need to agree on a starting event, which wouldn't be easy. Oldest known writing, maybe. Oldest known human permanent settlement, perhaps. Something not tied to any specific country or religion. It doesn't need to be precisely accurate - any year is as good as any other in this context.
 
skrew offending people, if they choose to be offended by a dating system that we've used for donkeys years then thats entirely their problem.

I agree entirely with the woman in the origional post (though for completely different reasons) lets stop over "pc-ing" stuff just in case one lonely git takes offence
 
Angilion said:
Changing it to CE/BCE is offensive/insensitive to some people, so that's not a winning solution either. I see it as dishonesty, not compromise - you're keeping an entirely religious calendar and pretending it isn't religious although it obviously is.

We've changed the units we used and we've changed our currency, both of which are far more intrusive changes than choosing a different time to start numbering years from. We'd just need to agree on a starting event, which wouldn't be easy. Oldest known writing, maybe. Oldest known human permanent settlement, perhaps. Something not tied to any specific country or religion. It doesn't need to be precisely accurate - any year is as good as any other in this context.
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Changing localised currency and units of measurement is somewhat different from changing a universally accepted international standard dating system. It took almost half a millennium to get this one accepted universally.

There is little real support for any of the alternatives like the Holocene Calender or the international perpetual calender.

The logistical and financial problems would be largely insurmountable for very little if any real benefit.

Whether you use the AD/BC or the CE/BCE to refer to a specific period is simply a personal choice and one that is accepted and understood universally whichever one you prefer.

As BCE can be either, Before the Common Era or Before the Christian Era, and likewise CE can be similarly written the argument seems a little pointless.
 
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They're trying to change BC/AD?!?!?!

For God's sake! is anyone REALLY going to be offended if we continue to use those terms? if they are, they can sod off.

This country is going mad, the "nanny" approach of our government catering to everyone OTHER than ourselves is just ridiculous.

/rant
 
arknor said:
surely thats not correct?

no one i know considers themselfs religious or has been to church during adult life as far as im aware.

more than 4% are probably starwars religion
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Then you are hanging with the wrong people, I know very many people that are quite religious.
Drives me up the wall with their closed minded approach to anything but hey ho, whatever gets them through the day, as long as it doesn't affect me, who am I to judge.

Oh and as for the OP, leave the damn dates alone, it's been BC/AD since, well forever*.. everyone knows this it's common knowledge and there is absolutely no need to change except to get religious folks backs up. As if there isn't enough problems to deal with already.
I don't even know what the new terms mean so now I have to learn yet more unneeded politically correct claptrap.
Christ! < Pun intended


* = slight exaggeration
 
Castiel said:
I'm not sure about that, in Academia i would agree, but universally worldwide, I would like to see some citation of that before I would accept it.
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Pretty sure it is used in China and I think India uses it too. There is one third of the world already. :)

At least one advantage with BCE/CE is that they both go on the end of the year, whereas using AD at the end of the year is so wrong!
 
RDM said:
Pretty sure it is used in China and I think India uses it too. There is one third of the world already. :)

At least one advantage with BCE/CE is that they both go on the end of the year, whereas using AD at the end of the year is so wrong!
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India use the Saka Calendar which is not Gregorian and China use the Xia Calendar :p

Using the A.D at the end of the date year is quite acceptable and common practice also.

Of course none of this really matters as Common Era notation can be referred to as Christian Era as well which kind of defeats the point really.

Political Correctness rears it's head once again.
 
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If you want to be really nit picky, England is/was essentially a pagan country which was forced in to Christianity/Catholicism by the Romans. Not that I'm prejudice or anything against religion.

I don't see the problem with using BCE/CE it is more fitting to history and pre-history.
 
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