US Charity aims to neuter UK junkies

bloodiedathame said:
Whilst it is not anyone's job to decide who can and can't have children, I would have to agree that there are people who really shouldn't have kids. I'm all for a parenting license or something similar, rather than sterilisation.
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Surely those two statements contradict one another? How can somebody out there hold the right to give or deny parenting licenses if you don't believe it's anyone's job to decide that?

Deadbeat said:
Still can't see any real issues with it. The fact of the matter is that if you're ever at a point in your life when you need £200 so badly that you're willing to get sterilised to lay your hands on it, you've clearly made a lot of really, really bad decisions to get there.
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The very nature of serious drug addiction is that a person may not be in a completely worthwhile state of mind when in need of their next fix though. It's not like you or I, sitting down in a perfectly sober frame of mind, and deciding that "Yeah, I'll take £200 for the snip".

What happens if that person cleans themselves up and becomes a perfectly respectable member of society later in life? They've then been doomed by a personal choice made years before in an unfit state. It's hardly getting a bad tattoo, it's giving up the ability to ever raise and care for your own flesh and blood.

It may well be a step towards modern eugenics or an extreme violation of liberty, but I don't remember reading anywhere that we have a Human Right to bear children.
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Perhaps not, but the rights of basic freedom kind of extend to that, don't they? We're free to **** anyone we like (as long as they want to too, of course ;)), and if we choose or don't choose to protect ourselves when we do, then bosh, a sprog.

Of course, I don't expect many people to agree exactly with my way of thinking. I'm a liberal mysanthropist. It's not a common viewpoint.
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Actually, I'd imagine you fit in quite well with the amount of "lock 'em up and throw away the key", redemption-phobic, unsympathetic types on here.
 
Weebull said:
What happens if that person cleans themselves up and becomes a perfectly respectable member of society later in life? They've then been doomed by a personal choice made years before in an unfit state. It's hardly getting a bad tattoo, it's giving up the ability to ever raise and care for your own flesh and blood.
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This is quite easily solved. Get them to freeze sperm before going ahead of it or use the reversible vasectomy.
 
 
Has anyone raised the point yet where addicts may not be in a state of mind to fully understand their potential decision to be castrated? A heroin addict would be far more likely to think of his next fix with that £200 instead of the procedure. If he/she becomes clean later in life it would be a massive inconsolable regret. It's highly irresponsible of the 'charity' which blatantly has its own misguided agenda to pursue. It's their way of saying 'you have no right to reproduce and we are going to take advantage of your state of mind'.
 
KNiVES said:
Has anyone raised the point yet where addicts may not be in a state of mind to fully understand their potential decision to be castrated? A heroin addict would be far more likely to think of his next fix with that £200 instead of the procedure. If he/she becomes clean later in life it would be a massive inconsolable regret. It's highly irresponsible of the 'charity' which blatantly has its own misguided agenda to pursue. It's their way of saying 'you have no right to reproduce and we are going to take advantage of your state of mind'.
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That is exactly what I was thinking when I read the article, that that is why I am completely against this initiative. It is exploitative as many addicts are not in a position to make a rational and well thought out decision.
 
lcg said:
That is exactly what I was thinking when I read the article, that that is why I am completely against this initiative. It is exploitative as many addicts are not in a position to make a rational and well thought out decision.
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But you think they are of sound enough mind to decide to have children though?

Maybe we should round up all the junkies put them in a care home where the nanny state can run their lives for them.
 
If charity was their intent they could just as easily give vulnerable drug addicts £200 worth of contraceptives, it strikes me as quite sinister really and a potential slippery slope.
 
kwerk said:
But you think they are of sound enough mind to decide to have children though?

Maybe we should round up all the junkies put them in a care home where the nanny state can run their lives for them.
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That's a very good point. The only thing I can think of is to promote the use of contraception, and provide addicts with contraceptives.
 
lcg said:
That's a very good point. The only thing I can think of is to promote the use of contraception, and provide addicts with contraceptives.
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They'll just use the condoms to hide stuff up their bum in case the police raid their house! :p

I think the last thing someone will think about when off their face and having sex is contraception.... I can just imagine it now... "Uh.. wait... I need to wrap my sausage before I plunge it into your pudding, babe".
 
lcg said:
That's a very good point. The only thing I can think of is to promote the use of contraception, and provide addicts with contraceptives.
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Also note that condoms have been available for free for a rather long time now. If drug addicts were responsible enough to use them this scheme wouldn't exist.
 
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