Need upgrade advice - BFG GeForce 7800 GTX

^Andy^ · 23 Oct 2010 at 16:40

REAPERUK said:
6870v470 at DX11 mode = 470 win, no simpler way of putting it.

You must be talking synthetic benchmarks because not one review that benchmarks multiple games agrees with you - this one for example..

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphics/2010/10/22/ati-radeon-hd-6870-review/11

..Shows both cards winning on multiple games.

REAPERUK · 23 Oct 2010 at 17:14

^Andy^ said:
You must be talking synthetic benchmarks because not one review that benchmarks multiple games agrees with you - this one for example..

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphics/2010/10/22/ati-radeon-hd-6870-review/11

..Shows both cards winning on multiple games.

Max the games settings and it will be a different story

get the 6870 if you want.

Mofodave · 24 Oct 2010 at 00:58

Thanks all for the posts. Some good comments and helpful advice. Had a look at the 6870 and 470. It seems that the GTX 470 is more likely to be the choice for me.

Appreciate all the help.

REAPERUK · 24 Oct 2010 at 01:17

Mofodave , nice for posting back

, and a good choice of card at the price there selling at

Ezyryder · 24 Oct 2010 at 01:22

the only disadvantage of the 470 IMO is that over the course of its life in your computer (2 to 3 years )you will spend probably £40 or £50 more a year (depending on usage) for a couple more frames a second. Then your £175 card is suddenly much more expensive.

I wouldn't get it just because of that. That and noise, I hate noisy cards.

REAPERUK · 24 Oct 2010 at 01:28

£50 a year on power, and fan noise, Don't make me laugh lol, utter none user Crap.

Stop reading reveiws and try hardware, it's the future.

opethdisciple · 24 Oct 2010 at 01:38

I gathered that the 6870 had better minimums than the 470?

But, the 470 will tesselate better than the 6870...

My money? Might be on the 470.

Not much between the two.

Choose based on are you more comfortbale with Nvidia or ATI, or what games you play.....

Ezyryder · 24 Oct 2010 at 01:52

REAPERUK said:
£50 a year on power, and fan noise, Don't make me laugh lol, utter none user Crap.

Stop reading reveiws and try hardware, it's the future.

Fan noise is important to some users, for me its really important as I like a quiet system. I would happily sacrifice 2% of performance for it.

Do you need to answer like if you were a 4 year old boy?

I currently have a 460GTX and are far removed from being a fanboy, just buy whatever is best in terms of value for money.

Seems that I got my facts slightly wrong though regarding energy usage (did it of the top of my head! hehehe, not reliable!)

Lets say he uses the computer 3 hours a day and that on average, if the card uses 50W on load more than the 6870 (and that is assuming the card is at stock) he will spend around £12 more a year, so yes, I got it wrong, but it is still worth mentioning I reckon. I don't know who pays the electricity in your case but in mine its my job wages!

Also, if he wants to do CrossFire, the cards scale very well and you won't need a mammoth PSU to run them both.

Plus driver improvements are probably going to affect more the new series of ATI cards instead as we have had a few good drivers for the nVidia series now.

Worth saying too is that the cheapest 470 is £188 and the cheapest 6870 is £176.

Razor Time · 24 Oct 2010 at 01:54

Ezyryder said:
the only disadvantage of the 470 IMO is that over the course of its life in your computer (2 to 3 years )you will spend probably £40 or £50 more a year (depending on usage) for a couple more frames a second. Then your £175 card is suddenly much more expensive.

LMFAO.... What a load of rubbish. Care to back up your £40-50 more per year claim with calculations or are you just pulling numbers out of your arse?

Ezyryder · 24 Oct 2010 at 01:55

Razor Time said:
LMFAO.... What a load of rubbish. Care to back up your £40-50 more per year claim with calculations or are you just pulling numbers out of your arse?

see above ... no need for childish replies though.

An Exception · 24 Oct 2010 at 01:56

6870's are slightly faster at stock, have a new form of AA called MLAA that doesn't sacrifice performance, has more connectivity options and is more efficient and runs cooler and generates less noise, and will also probably be allot less likely to fail due to it's small die and lower power consumption and heat.

To top it off, the 6870 scales much better in Xfire than the 470 does in SLI, so the 470 would need to be substantially overclocked to compete here, thus generating HUGE power consumption, heat and noise. And this is on immature drivers so you could also expect a few improvements down the road.

The only benefits I can see is the 470 can overclock very well, but again, its at the expense of noise and power consumption, the other benefit I guess is you get PhysX and CUDA.
Edit: it also benefits from it's tessellation performance, but that doesn't seem to translate well in DX11 games at the mo.

Not a hard decision IMO, but each to their own...

Razor Time · 24 Oct 2010 at 01:58

Ezyryder said:
see above ... no need for childish replies though.

Childish replies are deserved on childish mis-informed posts. :rolleyes:

Ezyryder · 24 Oct 2010 at 02:03

Razor Time said:
Childish replies are deserved on childish mis-informed posts.

I corrected my answer a couple of posts after it if you cared to read it. On stock it will be £12 quid more expensive a year. Overclocked I don't know but I can look it up...

Ezyryder · 24 Oct 2010 at 02:07

in fact I reckon you can have a better deal by going to a gigabyte 460 Gtx, £150 quid and you can overclock it to 470 levels easily. Even with the power consumption figures you are still saving money

REAPERUK · 24 Oct 2010 at 02:08

Ezyryder , nice edit

if you have a 460 i will rename myself Ron Jeremy lol ..

Razor Time · 24 Oct 2010 at 02:10

Ezyryder said:
I corrected my answer a couple of posts after it if you cared to read it. On stock it will be £12 quid more expensive a year. Overclocked I don't know but I can look it up...

If you look at the time stamps I posted within 2 mins of your 2nd post. Logic would dictate that I was posting as you finished your 2nd post. :rolleyes:

Either way your 2nd post only confirms I was correct and that your post was rubbish and you did indeed pull the figure out of your arse.

REAPERUK · 24 Oct 2010 at 02:14

Razor Time said:
Childish replies are deserved on childish mis-informed posts.

Bang on the Mouse button and Keyboard, you get tired reading though drivel that give no help to no one, other than there Narrow-minded views which mean nothing, other than there first card they bought that is cooler than a ZX-81 .

Ezyryder · 24 Oct 2010 at 02:29

REAPERUK said:
Bang on the Mouse button and Keyboard, you get tired reading though drivel that give no help to no one, other than there Narrow-minded views which mean nothing, other than there first card they bought that is cooler than a ZX-81 .

Learn to spell properly :rolleyes:

Please accept a smile on my part at the narrow-minded bit ...

Razor Time said:
If you look at the time stamps I posted within 2 mins of your 2nd post. Logic would dictate that I was posting as you finished your 2nd post.

Either way your 2nd post only confirms I was correct and that your post was rubbish and you did indeed pull the figure out of your arse.

Vulgar and disrespectful... everyone makes mistakes, or are you telling me that you are perfect? :rolleyes:

In any case...

http://www.techpowerup.com/gpuz/3umx7/

Ezyryder · 24 Oct 2010 at 02:30

REAPERUK said:
Ezyryder , nice edit if you have a 460 i will rename myself Ron Jeremy lol ..

what edit? :confused:

REAPERUK · 24 Oct 2010 at 02:45

Ezyryder said:
Learn to spell properly Please accept a smile on my part at the narrow-minded bit ...

i can Spell dam good

read my letter i just Did, it is only a draft though, so excuse the spelling

Ezyryder said:
what edit?

Time stamp at the bottom of your post

accept my

on pointing out Spelling and my :cool:

on your edit , here is a