UFC 121 LIVE discussion thread [SPOILERS WITHIN]

I wish I had a photographic memory coz I know for a fact I've seen some of the best fights in history before, especially boxing, where stuff like this made some of the best fights ever, where refs let fighters continue when most thought the fight should be stopped, only for that fighter who was down to come back and then go on and continue and win.
 
Rids I hear what ya saying, but I'm willing to bet I've seen more MMA in past 6 months that others have who have watched it for years, I've watched Pride, WEC, strikeforce, UFC etc and all the other extra shows involved, but yeah to be honest I've been watching boxing all my life so I've got more experience with boxing not that I was ever really a big fan in that sport either, but just mainly watched the big fights in all titles like most people.
 
Looked to me to be a culmination of Brock's errors rather than the fact that Cain was awesome.

Brock went out there like a run away train and gassed out pretty quick. Brock was never hit with any massive shots, he just doesn't react well to being punched. Very similar to the Carwin fight but Cain picked his shots better.
Nothing really special or shocking, the holes in Brock's skillset were exposed in his last fight.

I don't rate Cain at all to be honest, he can get past JDS if he wrestles but if he stands with him I see Cain going to sleep.
 
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Theres a big difference in boxing though, you get hit with a clean shot and drop to a knee and you are given 10 seconds of respite to gather your thoughts and collect yourself, in mma someone can land another 20 punches in that time.
 
Dear SkScotchegg,

thank you very much for providing me with entertainment during this late hour,

ps. you do realise that this isn't wwe don't you? and you do realise it's herb dean not earl hebner right?
 
SkScotchegg? Why are you such a huge fan of someone thats happy to walk arround with a ***** combat knife on his chest, its a fully detailed ribbed ***** so there is no mistaking it!
 
How was Brock going to turn it around in your mind then? How wasn't it justified? He was taking damage without protecting himself or succesfully getting to a better position.
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In my mind, I saw brock was in a bad situation, and I cant remember how long was left in the round, was it 60 seconds? I think brock could have defo survived that round without being knocked clean out. And the ref should have let him finish the 1st round to see how it went in the 2nd round, and then if he was in serious trouble in the 2nd round (like falling down with the first punch from cain with wobbly legs) then yeah stop it. But that 2nd round, brock could have come out, taken cain down, and cain might have never come back up...sometimes fighters need that first round to work out their opponent on the day, and then 2nd round come out of his corner and mix things up and change what needs to be changed if the original gameplan hasnt worked out.

Surely nobody on this planet can say that its not within the realm of possibility that Brock couldnt have come back?
 
SkScotchegg? Why are you such a huge fan of someone thats happy to walk arround with a ***** combat knife on his chest, its a fully detailed ribbed ***** so there is no mistaking it!
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lol, I'd love you to say that to his face hehe
 
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SkScotchegg? Why are you such a huge fan of someone thats happy to walk arround with a ***** combat knife on his chest, its a fully detailed ribbed ***** so there is no mistaking it!
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I must admit, that tattoo is one of the single worst tattoos I have ever seen in my life, surely Brock must have looked in the mirror and then smashed the tattooist into a bloody pulp.
 
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lol, I'd love you to say that to his face hehe
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I would for money ;).

Seriously though do you think he licks the tip of it when hes on his own?

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In my mind, I saw brock was in a bad situation, and I cant remember how long was left in the round, was it 60 seconds? I think brock could have defo survived that round without being knocked clean out. And the ref should have let him finish the 1st round to see how it went in the 2nd round, and then if he was in serious trouble in the 2nd round (like falling down with the first punch from cain with wobbly legs) then yeah stop it. But that 2nd round, brock could have come out, taken cain down, and cain might have never come back up...sometimes fighters need that first round to work out their opponent on the day, and then 2nd round come out of his corner and mix things up and change what needs to be changed if the original gameplan hasnt worked out.

Surely nobody on this planet can say that its not within the realm of possibility that Brock couldnt have come back?
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From what happened in the first round how did you get any indication that Brock would be able to hold Cain down? Brock got 2 takedowns and in those 2 takedowns had Cain down for a total of what, 3 seconds? And landed zero damage. Cain stuffed the first takedown too. Cain on the other hand got one takedown and stayed on top for a good amount of time landing damaging punches, then when Brock did manage to get back up he was on very wobbly legs and did fall over, ate one shot and fell back down.
 
SkScotchegg said:
In my mind, I saw brock was in a bad situation, and I cant remember how long was left in the round, was it 60 seconds? I think brock could have defo survived that round without being knocked clean out. And the ref should have let him finish the 1st round to see how it went in the 2nd round, and then if he was in serious trouble in the 2nd round (like falling down with the first punch from cain with wobbly legs) then yeah stop it. But that 2nd round, brock could have come out, taken cain down, and cain might have never come back up...sometimes fighters need that first round to work out their opponent on the day, and then 2nd round come out of his corner and mix things up and change what needs to be changed if the original gameplan hasnt worked out.

Surely nobody on this planet can say that its not within the realm of possibility that Brock couldnt have come back?
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I can quite easily say, that Brock would not have come back.

Even if brock made it past the first round, he wouldn't have made the bell for the second round. That cut was fight-stopping. No ref would allow any sportsman, to continue in any sport on this planet with a cut like that.
 
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Looked to me to be a culmination of Brock's errors rather than the fact that Cain was awesome.

Brock went out there like a run away train and gassed out pretty quick. Brock was never hit with any massive shots, he just doesn't react well to being punched. Very similar to the Carwin fight but Cain picked his shots better.
Nothing really special or shocking, the holes in Brocks skillset were exposed in his last fight.

I don't rate Cain at all to be honest, he can get past JDS if he wrestles but if he stands with him I see Cain going to sleep.
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I agree with what your saying, finally someone posting in this thread besides me with their own opinion and good points...haha...

Yeah I didnt understand myself either why brock came out so fast, with him being the champ and all you would have thought he'd let cain bring the fight to him. But as for brock being gassed out, he did seem like that didnt he, but thats unusual coz am sure hes gone the distance before, am sure hes had a 3 round fight and a 5 round fight previously and had good cardio, maybe today he just executed his plan completely wrong for whatever reason.

In title fights where the challenger loses by decision the commentators always say that the challenger needs to really beat the champ, like proper beat him up, otherwise the challenger usually loses even when the challenger has done more, I know this fight didnt go that way but thats why I didnt understand why brock was so quick on the attack, maybe the fight would have been completely different if brock had gone at a slower pace.

So many fights like this in the UFC though where someone will lose and then they'll fight again and they'll win, it seems to be 50/50 allot of the time, doesnt seem like theres people fighters that havent lost a fight.

Anyways, I hope brock fights carwin and cain again, and I hope both fights go 3 or 5 rounds so we can see a real fight.
 
I would for money .

Seriously though do you think he licks the tip of it when hes on his own?
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lol, yeah it is a dodgy tattoo, I dont know why he got it done, I hate tattoo's anyways, I dont understand why people want to graffiti their own body.

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I must admit, that tattoo is one of the single worst tattoos I have ever seen in my life, surely Brock must have looked in the mirror and then smashed the tattooist into a bloody pulp.
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lol Yeah I bet that tattooist was running out the back door, thinking what have I done!
 
I think I've worked out why brock lost everybody! Its because he forgot to have a shave, lol!! :D

EDIT: They're meant to be warriors aswell, they should have a doctor that comes in the ring with a bit of wire, stich up his face and send him back to work, they say brock is like a modern day gladiator, back then, he would have got a spear thrown through the side of his stomach, he'd of snapped it at either side, and continued fighting and hacking of heads with an axe lol.
 
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converse_uprise said:
I cant quite easily say, that Brock would not have come back.

Even if brock made it past the first round, he wouldn't have made the bell for the second round. That cut was fight-stopping. No ref would allow any sportsman, to continue in any sport on this planet with a cut like taht.
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The cut wasn't that bad to be honest, on the cheek under the eye. I've seen fighters with worse cuts, in worse places, allowed to continue. It was on a fleshy part of the face and bled a lot, made it look worse.

The stoppage was fair, nobody can deny that. The stoppage would have been fair in the first round of the Carwin fight but he got away with it, had chance to learn from it and quite simply didn't...

Looked to me like Brock wanted to rush an early stoppage, sprinting in, threw a few flying knees, worked too hard for his takedowns too early in the fight and gassed out badly. Cain kept his composure and capitalized on Brock's mistakes, simple.
 
Ariel Helwani "I just got an interview with The Undertaker that you will not believe"
"Worth staying up for"

something happened between brock with the undertaker after the fight , also brock verbally submitted it wasnt the ref
 
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