Brit cop punch man 5 times in the face.

rapid64k said:
Dont be silly now Charley, I have not slated the police at all if you feel so "tiresome" why not leave the thread?

I do not have the time to note every infraction on this thread for you to mush over.
Every man here has a story to tell about what they went through, they dont need people like yoursleves telling them that they made it all up or asked for it.
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Saying that the police on TV abuse people all the time isn't 'slating' them?

Don't you think that if they did abuse people all the time that people would pick up on it as it is being broadcast worldwide to millions of viewers?

If people were treated roughly by the police, I'd say there is a 99% chance they did deserve it. Resisting arrest because you know you did nothing wrong does not make you a 'victim'.
 
gambitt said:
You missed my point again. I didn't know exactly what it meant (although now it seems obvious) kids smoking weed aren't going to know that. They assume in their ignorance or lack of legal knowledge, that are ALL going to get criminal records if they don't confess. It's a bluff, plain and simple.
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I would say that 98% of people know what "nicked" means in reference to the police... Smoking weed or not. It's a term that gets used 99% of the time.
 
Burnsy2023 said:
Without being there or having more information, you can't make that conclusion.
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What are you talking about. So someone who is drunk is massively strong and could do serious harm to them and others regardless of their size. They can take more punishment without feeling the pain because they are high/drunk and the best way to sort that person out is to punch them in the head when you are pinning them down.

When they are in a state where they dont feel as much pain but still take the same damage as if they were sober you think its a good idea to punch someone in the back of the head 4 times.

You are just taking the high ground of "im sure that it was justified." Police officers are trained to subdue people in situations just like this. If you have someones restrained properly they would need to be massively massively stronger than you to break free. Add a taser into the equation and you are just left with a violent police officer taking out his anger on some guy.
 
He's got a point, though. You must be in a very very very small minority if you dont know what nicked means. I'd say it's a certainty that kids hanging around smoking pot would know exactly what getting nicked means.
 
Either way, they obviously don't know the law and the police officer is exploiting that with his bluff. He knows that he has nothing on them unless one of them confesses. If they knew the whole process (which he doesn't tell them) then they would tell him to get stuffed.
 
Robboftw said:
Saying that the police on TV abuse people all the time isn't 'slating' them?

Don't you think that if they did abuse people all the time that people would pick up on it as it is being broadcast worldwide to millions of viewers?

If people were treated roughly by the police, I'd say there is a 99% chance they did deserve it. Resisting arrest because you know you did nothing wrong does not make you a 'victim'.
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Ok fat guy gets arrested its a fair cop hands behind his back he is out of breath from been arrested.
he trips up a bit while walking, the police officers push him face first into the ground and jump on his back saying that he tried to attack an officer "behind him"
whats would you call that?
 
rapid64k said:
Ok fat guy gets arrested its a fair cop hands behind his back he is out of breath from been arrested.
he trips up a bit while walking, the police officers push him face first into the ground and jump on his back saying that he tried to attack an officer "behind him"
whats would you call that?
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That is obviously out of order. How often does that happen? Very rarely.
 
Von Smallhausen said:
I take it you have seen what can happen when a bite connects ? I have seen ears and a nose bitten off with a human bite, not to mention biohazards that can go with it.

A punch to the face when someone is trying to bite you, assuming other tactical options aren't available, is quite a reasonable response and that would go in my statement and in the report to Professional Standards.

Where cops can go wrong is striking people quite lawfully but leaving it out of the report that follows.



You can and it isn't over the top but you have to justify it in the circumstances. In truth though it wouldn't be my first option but if I was rolling on the floor with someone and they were trying to punch, kick or bite me then a punch to their face is not over the top. I can't baton them at that distance and position and I can't use incapacitant. What is left ?



See above why that may not work but my back would really have to be against the wall to consider such an action.



Very but as I have said I would really have to be at risk and being attacked big style to consider doing such a thing.



You mean not resisting arrest in the first place ? ;)
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I still think punching someone in the face is wrong - no matter the circumstances - especially if there are two officers present, with a taser, with both of them with knees in the back and legs. And I don't just mean the police, I mean anyone that thinks it's justifiable.

And yes i mean both not resisting arrest, and punching people in their face ;)
 
Can someone go round and punch Chris Parsons in the face please.

Get arrested and put in the van safely
or
fight like a rabid dog, get wrestled to the ground,get kneed in the neck, get tazered, get punched in the face and THEN get put in the van covered in bruises...
Your call !!

Chris Parsons needs to wake up and smell the coffee of the real world.
kthnksbye
 
rapid64k said:
Very rarly or not it happends Mr Robboftw, and thats the point im making it happends.
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Has anyone said it doesn't happen?

It's obvious to everyone that some police officers are going to be corrupt/dodgy, so you don't really have a point do you? :confused:
 
Robboftw said:
Has anyone said it doesn't happen?

It's obvious to everyone that some police officers are going to be corrupt/dodgy, so you don't really have a point do you? :confused:
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ROFL this is what you said >>>"
Some people just like to slate the police for no reason. Its getting quite tiresome now.
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I just pointed out that i am not slating them. so you now agree that some police are bent but you accuse me of slating them for no reason? go figure!!!!
 
I agree with Von on this one as he mostly talks sense. I think punching to the head is acceptable given a certain set of circumstances, however, in the video, I can't see how it is justified.

Am I also right in thinking that several operational procedures in that video have been ignored or don't the police shout tazer 3 times anymore?

Taken from operational manual section 7 and 8 (paraphrasing) It says that a clear warning should be given and sufficient time should be given for warnings to be observed.

7.4 - Police offices shall give the clear verbal warning "taser taser taser" indicating to all persons in the vicinity that the taser is being discharged.

Section 8 deals with aftercare saying it is important for the officer to provide reassurance as to the temporary effects and instruct the subject to breathe normally to prevent hyperventillation.

Interestingly, section 8.7 says that experience has shown that the people most likely to suffer death after being tasered are those under the influence of drugs or those who have been struggling violently.

It also goes on to say that "if there is any suspicion that the violent behaviour is being caused by excited delerium, that should be treated as a medical emergency and the subject conveyed immediately to hospital"

Section 10 says that a mandatory referal to the IPCC is required when the discharge caused danger to the public and revealed failings in command

Hmmm.
 
Not one of these slagging off the police threads again.

Can we just move on, we all know that...

...Every police officer in the entire UK is bad and should be replaced by Robo Cop.
 
Seems excessive but we don't know all the facts. Has the guy who was resisting arrest got previous for assault, offensive weapons etc ?
If i was arrested by 2 officers i think i'd rather not try to fight my way out of it.
These officers weren't sitting on their behinds doing paperwork they were out doing the job they are paid for. If it was excessive, then punish them, if not then thankfully we have some coppers who will get stuck into yobs who think they are above the law.
 
mejinks said:
I agree with Von on this one as he mostly talks sense. I think punching to the head is acceptable given a certain set of circumstances, however, in the video, I can't see how it is justified.
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I sometimes talk sense, not mostly. ;)

Am I also right in thinking that several operational procedures in that video have been ignored or don't the police shout tazer 3 times anymore?

Taken from operational manual section 7 and 8 (paraphrasing) It says that a clear warning should be given and sufficient time should be given for warnings to be observed.

7.4 - Police offices shall give the clear verbal warning "taser taser taser" indicating to all persons in the vicinity that the taser is being discharged.
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It should be adhered to as it should when incapacitant spray is used so a clear warning to others. It is best practice but I would doubt that failure to shout the warning would result in the discharge being illegal.

To prevent misuse and for accountability, the X-26 Taser used by British police discharges tiny discs with a unique signature to that weapon.

The subject should then be re-assured as you say but the barbs should be removed by a medical professional only.
 
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