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Very good point. We (humans) are at the end of the day animals. Animals themselves kill for food and pleasure, sometimes only pleasure.
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Very good point. We (humans) are at the end of the day animals. Animals themselves kill for food and pleasure, sometimes only pleasure.
There's no denying there is a primitive satisfaction from hunting something and putting it on the table, that's a base instinct that has been present in mankind forever, but in modern society many people never encounter it.
Putting vegetarianism to one side for a moment (those people have taken their stance about meat and its source, and stuck with their guns, and as much as I can't understand that, I respect their decision), which is less cruel - a lifetime spent in intensive farming, culminating in deaths usually delivered by an electric shock and a blade through the neck in the case of poultry, or being shuffled through a large scale abattoir for other meat, or living your life in the wild before having the lights turned out in an instant?
I hunt, I respect the prey, I have no qualms with what I do.
Putting vegetarianism to one side for a moment (those people have taken their stance about meat and its source, and stuck with their guns, and as much as I can't understand that, I respect their decision), which is less cruel - a lifetime spent in intensive farming, culminating in deaths usually delivered by an electric shock and a blade through the neck in the case of poultry, or being shuffled through a large scale abattoir for other meat, or living your life in the wild before having the lights turned out in an instant?
I hunt, I respect the prey, I have no qualms with what I do.
I think it's quite a sad story tbh that a fantastic animal like this is viewed as a 'trophy' to be killed.
That said there are plenty of deer to go around and they at least get eaten so I don't have any objection per se to deer hunting, just think it's a bit sad that some hunter decided to kill this one, just seems like a bit of lack of respect really.
That said there are plenty of deer to go around and they at least get eaten so I don't have any objection per se to deer hunting, just think it's a bit sad that some hunter decided to kill this one, just seems like a bit of lack of respect really.
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This has nothing to do with deer culling - this was a trophy kill. This stag was killed purely for it's antlers. I'm sure the 'hunter' involved feels that his tiny penis is that bit bigger now.
This animal should not have been killed until the rut was completed - it was obviously a fine genetic specimen and should have been allowed to breed. Poor herd management but I'm sure the landowner got a nice price to compensate.
I don't agree with tormenting or killing animals for pleasure. I appeals only to the basest human instincts which our species should have grown out of by now.
I also don't agree with intensive farming of animals. But it has to be done because humans have also not been able to control their procreation to live within the bounds of our planets natural resources.
I manage to survive without eating meat or fish.
And just for background I am not a 'hippy' or 'townie'. My father was a gamekeeper, and in my youth I did plenty of hunting. I killed plenty of animals both with guns and with my bare hands. And I probably did get some primitive enjoyment out of it at the time.
But I grew up and grew out of it. As an adult I now find it difficult to understand how anyone derives any pleasure from killing for killing's sake.
This animal should not have been killed until the rut was completed - it was obviously a fine genetic specimen and should have been allowed to breed. Poor herd management but I'm sure the landowner got a nice price to compensate.
I don't agree with tormenting or killing animals for pleasure. I appeals only to the basest human instincts which our species should have grown out of by now.
I also don't agree with intensive farming of animals. But it has to be done because humans have also not been able to control their procreation to live within the bounds of our planets natural resources.
I manage to survive without eating meat or fish.
And just for background I am not a 'hippy' or 'townie'. My father was a gamekeeper, and in my youth I did plenty of hunting. I killed plenty of animals both with guns and with my bare hands. And I probably did get some primitive enjoyment out of it at the time.
But I grew up and grew out of it. As an adult I now find it difficult to understand how anyone derives any pleasure from killing for killing's sake.
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Most hunters would agree completely with that. If I'm not going to make full use of the animal then I'm not going to shoot it. If I just want to fire the old boomstick for the hell of it I'll shoot clays or other inanimate objects.
Seems most the "hunters" in this thread are sociopaths though that don't mind some unnecessary suffering. I suppose they do this kind of thing (WARNING, strong cruelty to animals, not for the weak hearted) for fun.
Personally, I just think that illustrates mental health issues.
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I rather feel the same, in that I'm a vegetarian, I don't preach, I don't care if people choose to eat meat or not, thats everyones choice.
What I can't stand, like you, is people who eat meat but also moan about animal cruelty as if being bred, caged, and slaughtered is perfectly pleasant for the animal, and that somehow every single person working in the slaughterhouses makes a perfect painless kill every time, rubbish basically.
I'm against animal cruelty, and don't eat animals, if you eat meat, stop pretending you really give a damn, its ridiculous.
THough someone said yes to fox hunting, no to deer hunting, I'd say the opposite, people intend to shoot the deer, with a gun that should ensure quick death, fox hunting torments the foxes for sometimes a heck of a long time before being ripped to shreds by dogs. Its fairly clear fox hunting is more cruel than sneaking up on a deer and hopefully killing them in one shot without them even being aware of being hunted.
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If they ate the meat, then I don't find it too bad, if not, if it's just for the head then it's such a waste of good meat, and sad that people just do it for a trophy. 
Agreed.
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I regularly partake in the sport of deer stalking.
It's enjoyable. Me, pitting 30 years of stalking experience (most of which honed in the Army), against Mother nature and x-Million years of evolution.
I have spent days tracking a single Stag across moors. Crawling on my belly, sometimes not moving for hours at a time. It's exciting, it's primeval. It's ****ing fun!
Sometimes, I don't even fire my rifle. No kill, but the reward was in the 'hunt'. The chase of the beast. I've crawled my way to within feet of deer before, undetected. It's pitting your own taught skills against the very unpredictable essence of mother nature.
I have probably shot over a thousand animals in my life, every one died instantly, before the body hit the deck in most cases. If anyone got a problem with that, but continues to eat meat, they are a hypocrite and should be shot in the face and removed from the human gene pool PDQ, tbh. The meat you eat, purchased from Asda/Tesco/wherever, comes from animals slain by means far less 'humaine' than an experienced huntsman and a well-placed shot. The meat I provide, was 'gained' through far humaine means than ANY meat you can buy from any of the top shops. FACT.
Then again, in my time in the forces, I've hunted humans too. Believe me, nothing comares to hunting human.
What I find interesting is this: most of the time, I view the animal I'm stalking - my potential kill - higher than some of the human 'animals' I've 'stalked' in my life.
Remorse, that's a woman thing. Real men just reload and move on.
It's enjoyable. Me, pitting 30 years of stalking experience (most of which honed in the Army), against Mother nature and x-Million years of evolution.
I have spent days tracking a single Stag across moors. Crawling on my belly, sometimes not moving for hours at a time. It's exciting, it's primeval. It's ****ing fun!
Sometimes, I don't even fire my rifle. No kill, but the reward was in the 'hunt'. The chase of the beast. I've crawled my way to within feet of deer before, undetected. It's pitting your own taught skills against the very unpredictable essence of mother nature.
I have probably shot over a thousand animals in my life, every one died instantly, before the body hit the deck in most cases. If anyone got a problem with that, but continues to eat meat, they are a hypocrite and should be shot in the face and removed from the human gene pool PDQ, tbh. The meat you eat, purchased from Asda/Tesco/wherever, comes from animals slain by means far less 'humaine' than an experienced huntsman and a well-placed shot. The meat I provide, was 'gained' through far humaine means than ANY meat you can buy from any of the top shops. FACT.
Then again, in my time in the forces, I've hunted humans too. Believe me, nothing comares to hunting human.
What I find interesting is this: most of the time, I view the animal I'm stalking - my potential kill - higher than some of the human 'animals' I've 'stalked' in my life.
Remorse, that's a woman thing. Real men just reload and move on.
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I'd hate to admit this... but I have that style hat (different colour though). Even worse - I have three.
It's so wrong that a creature as 'special' as that was killed simply for fun and as a trophy. Just so some idiot with some money can buy off the land owner to make himself feel big for shooting it with a gun, gg really hard. Not only that but in the middle of it's mating season.
Read the story about him some weeks ago that it had been spotted for the first time in ages and as soon as i had read it, i knew not long after i would be reading a story about him being killed.
Read the story about him some weeks ago that it had been spotted for the first time in ages and as soon as i had read it, i knew not long after i would be reading a story about him being killed.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-11625567
Stalkers see their activities as an important part of land management - a key method of regulating the number of deer in the wild.
Government figures show about 350,000 deer are already culled each year in the UK, but numbers are still rising.
For professional stalker Simon it is another working day as he unloads three deer. Later he is taking a course for people who want to stalk.
Stalkers see their activities as an important part of land management - a key method of regulating the number of deer in the wild.
Government figures show about 350,000 deer are already culled each year in the UK, but numbers are still rising.
For professional stalker Simon it is another working day as he unloads three deer. Later he is taking a course for people who want to stalk.