Where do you stand with regards to the death penalty?

Castiel said:
how will you guarantee that 100%.
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We'd have to change the standard of proof in our judicial system - on the balance of probabilities, beyond a reasonable doubt and "it's 100% bang on that he did it guv". The latter being reserved only for cases where the death penalty is in prospect since there's no current facility to determine at any level above "beyond a reasonable doubt" which is far from infallible.

Biohazard said:
I would like to see it, would save a good deal of tax payers money while we are at it.
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What makes you think it would save any money at all? It's not cheap sentencing someone to death if you have the requisite accompanying appeals process, in fact it's more expensive when you compare life imprisonment with incarceration unto the point of execution.

w3bbo said:
Oh and I would certainly be happy putting child rapists to the sword - with no charge on my part.
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This is one of those things that might be easier to say than to do, a number of tests have been done where they've tested/asked soldiers (usually those conscripted) to see if they'd fire on the enemy - a surprising number won't actually aim to actively engage the enemy and that's with the disassociation that occurs from firing at someone rather than the up close and personal that cutting someones head off would require. Maybe you'd be completely fine with it, I'd be a bit worried if you are though.
 
The question then is if we don't have the death penalty what needs to happen to the justice system as a whole to make the public think that those that commit crimes are being sufficiently punished. Every so often you hear about a drink driver who kills two people and gets 2 years and their license revoked because that's the most they could be sentenced under the current rules.

People will always commit crimes. I imagine most of us do every time we drive a car. The problem is that often it feels like the punishment doesn't truly reflect the crime committed.


britboy4321 said:
People say 'that child molester is sick, he should be hung'

er .. no .. think about the sentence ... i
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I agree, it should be "hanged"
 
semi-pro waster said:
We'd have to change the standard of proof in our judicial system - on the balance of probabilities, beyond a reasonable doubt and "it's 100% bang on that he did it guv". The latter being reserved only for cases where the death penalty is in prospect since there's no current facility to determine at any level above "beyond a reasonable doubt" which is far from infallible.
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Witnesses can lie, evidence can be faked and so no juror could ever be 100% certain unless he/she saw it him/herself. But if they had seen it they could not be on the jury because they'd be a witness.

All in all that's a dilemma that its impossible to ever resolve.
 
I am in favour of it, alongside other punishments, caning instead of juve hall, and hard labour for certain crimes.

I would couple this regimen of hard knocks with increased access to trade learning and chaporoned work placements when folks leave prision.
no one would want to return to my prisions, they would be based on harsh isles off Scotland.
 
The only problem with the death penalty for me, is if they get the wrong person for the crime, because how can you give compensation for that?! :p
 
As I have stated numerous times in the numerous threads, I believe that the death penalty is nothing more than state-supported murder. It is a barbaric act, and has no basis in justice.

I believe in a system that supports re-education and rehabilition of offenders, rather than simply punishing them and expecting them to be better. Or killing them and giving them no opportunity to repay their debt to society.
 
semi-pro waster said:
This is one of those things that might be easier to say than to do, a number of tests have been done where they've tested/asked soldiers (usually those conscripted) to see if they'd fire on the enemy - a surprising number won't actually aim to actively engage the enemy and that's with the disassociation that occurs from firing at someone rather than the up close and personal that cutting someones head off would require. Maybe you'd be completely fine with it, I'd be a bit worried if you are though.
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Believe me, I would not hesitate to take the life of any scum who had been proven, beyond any reasonable doubt, committing such heinous crimes and I certainly wouldn't lose any sleep over it. Sorry if that offends you but it is something I feel very strong about. For me, the act of abusing, sexually or otherwise, a child is beyond comprehension and death is perhaps too good for the person involved, a millenia of torture would be more fitting.
 
w3bbo said:
Believe me, I would not hesitate to take the life of any scum who had been proven, beyond any reasonable doubt, committing such heinous crimes and I certainly wouldn't lose any sleep over it. Sorry if that offends you but it is something I feel very strong about. For me, the act of abusing, sexually or otherwise, a child is beyond comprehension and death is perhaps too good for the person involved, a millenia of torture would be more fitting.
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I am the same. Id probably loose some sleep but id still do it.
 
I see little difference between judging the act and carrying out the punishment. The responsibility and burden (if you feel it) is the same no?
 
w3bbo said:
Believe me, I would not hesitate to take the life of any scum who had been proven, beyond any reasonable doubt, committing such heinous crimes and I certainly wouldn't lose any sleep over it. Sorry if that offends you but it is something I feel very strong about. For me, the act of abusing, sexually or otherwise, a child is beyond comprehension and death is perhaps too good for the person involved, a millenia of torture would be more fitting.
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And that is why it can never be allowed. Justice and Emotion does not mix. Most who call for the death of another in the name of 'Justice' are propelled by an emotional response, many of the rest are your sort of common, mob-mentality, "sheeple". And there are very few who can provide a morally sound, reasoned reason why we should execute people for committing crimes regardless of how heinous we may regard them.

Not only that, but there are deeper issues to be concerned with. Such as, why people cause crime. Are people born with the intention to commit that said crime? Is it the parent's fault? School? Society? Media? The Government? Are they not essentially victims themselves? How much 'free will' do we actually have when our basic perception of the world is based on our past experiences? Has society failed the criminal as well as the victim?

I don't believe that it is a simple issue, as much as many people would like for it to be. (That isn't directed at you, but moreso at the people I've talked with on the subject who don't care to address the finer points, which I feel, for Justice to be served, MUST be addressed.)
 
Gackt said:
And that is why it can never be allowed. Justice and Emotion does not mix. Most who call for the death of another in the name of 'Justice' are propelled by an emotional response, many of the rest are your sort of common, mob-mentality, "sheeple". And there are very few who can provide a morally sound, reasoned reason why we should execute people for committing crimes regardless of how heinous we may regard them.

Not only that, but there are deeper issues to be concerned with. Such as, why people cause crime. Are people born with the intention to commit that said crime? Is it the parent's fault? School? Society? Media? The Government? Are they not essentially victims themselves? How much 'free will' do we actually have when our basic perception of the world is based on our past experiences? Has society failed the criminal as well as the victim?

I don't believe that it is a simple issue, as much as many people would like for it to be. (That isn't directed at you, but moreso at the people I've talked with on the subject who don't care to address the finer points, which I feel, for Justice to be served, MUST be addressed.)
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But where does it end? I do see where you are coming from but you cannot solve the past, you can only shape the future. It has to start somewhere and with the current penalties in place, their is little to deter future criminals. If those who commit these crimes are as a result of past experience, how on earth does one expect to reabilitate them?

RDM said:
How do you know?
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I'm a father of two young children myself.;)
 
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