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Bonkers.
Bonkers.
Do you believe in Life after Death.
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[TW]Fox;17687259 said:
That is one such belief, which I think quite a large number of people in this modern day hold. However, it doesn't quite make it true though.
I find it just as bizarre you saying 'You are born, have a great life, then it's all over'. How are you just born, how did this world and universe just come into existence? Not everyone has a 'great life'. It's all over when you die yes but how can you possibly know for sure that the same way everything just came into existence all of a sudden and you were just born all of a sudden, that the process of creation cannot happen again?
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My only truely held beleif is that I don't really know what happens. Nobody does.
I consider this a better situation than beleiving that books written thousands of years ago are 100% factual.
If I told you that i could fly, would you beleive me?
If not, why not? It's no more far fetched than the beleif that everyone who dies comes back to life.
I consider this a better situation than beleiving that books written thousands of years ago are 100% factual.
If I told you that i could fly, would you beleive me?
If not, why not? It's no more far fetched than the beleif that everyone who dies comes back to life.
Though to be fair that is a statement which should be applied to both sides, this is one of the problems with those of strong faith AND those of strong er...no-faith. Both sides equally have closed minds, those strongly against religion will not open their mind to the chance that there is something and those strongly for religion will not open their mind to the chance that there is nothing at all.
One thing that both sides strongly have in common is that they both will shout til they are blue in the face to the other side that "you are wrong, I am right!". (thought admittedly only one side says that the other side will suffer in some way for being wrong)
And this is one of the greatest strengths of many religions in arguments. You cant argue with something that doesnt apply logic, how can you debate when one sides defense is "because it is". Its the ultimate wall in an argument
I gave up debating the issue ages ago, its just a waste of time.I think I'd like to be a penguin, they seem to have a right laugh all the time sliding about all over the place and mucking about, plus I like the cold
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But can you accept that you also have no reason not to disbelieve that our conciousness or essence can exist outside of our corporeal body.
I know this has turned into a religious discussion which I wanted to avoid if possible as Semi-Pro said, but from a purely philosophical viewpoint is it not possible that the energy that is unique to the individual can and will continue after the expiry of the body in which it resides.
For example [TW]Fox is intent of thinking of this in empirical terms, such as how many souls would exist etc... but let us think of the individual human soul as an aspect of some kind of sentient whole and that life is an experience for a single aspect of that whole.
so like the molecules that make up the human body, so do the souls of humankind make up a universal Godhead for example. We are all made from the same stuff, so is it not logical to believe that we are all connected in some esoteric way that we cannot yet explain and that an individual death doesn't mean the loss of that accumulation of knowledge or racial memory as everything is connected at some fundamental level.
I am not saying that I believe that per se, but I am just conjecturing out the box so to speak.
turning my words into a series of noughts and ones and reconstituting it several thousand miles away.
Bonkers.
I suppose the energy takes on some other form. I don't know what exactly but, as I've said, I see no reason to believe that there is life or consciousness after death.
ahh this old chestnut once again!
believe same as OP...not because of logic or any rational argument or scientific evidence that has been presented but because of personal experience.
OP you might be interested in Anthony Peake's books on it. He comes up with a radical (but logical) theory of consciousness and how we survive physical death.
believe same as OP...not because of logic or any rational argument or scientific evidence that has been presented but because of personal experience.
OP you might be interested in Anthony Peake's books on it. He comes up with a radical (but logical) theory of consciousness and how we survive physical death.
They're not.
Lets just say it was as infallable to me as the cogito was to Descartes
and besides your line of argument there pretty much means you cant get out of bed every morning because you cant trust your own subjective experience... you cant have your cake and eat...you have to choose.. are all your experiences manipulated/hallucinatory or only some? If only some then you must have some kind of veridical test for Real and Not Real. What is this test?
the real problem science has is there is nothing in any science book that can explain why we are actually conscious. The scientific world is one that doesnt involve consciousness. Scientifically, what need is there for it at all to be here?
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No, unless you count the atoms used to construct an individual which will be recycled at some point.
I believe that our consciousness is a culmination of all of our senses and the way that the electro-chemical processing machine that is our brain processes their input.
Life, as we define it, is our consciousness, therefore our "essence" is the sum of everything that makes us up from a biological standpoint.
The difficult crossover concept is that thoughts, personality, who we are is a result of these purely mechanical processes.
Without the mechanical processes, we do not exist, therefore I can only conclude that there will be no life after death as the processes which give us life will be gone. In order for my life (assuming my life is my consciousness), to exist once my biological functions have ceased, then there would need to exist a way for some form of transference of me to some other form of supporting system. Now I have absolutely no proof whatsoever that this is the case, when people die there has never been any notable recording of energy leaving their body, the only accounts are from those on the brink of death and all of the experiences play out no differently to a vivid dream and as such can be reasonably explained as a variant of this.
In short, my inability to believe in something which not only has little proof but in fact has no proof and requires me to simply believe in something which has been constructed by my and other peoples imaginations leads me to say that unless new evidence is brought to light, I categorically cannot believe that I will continue to live after I am dead.
Life, as we define it, is our consciousness, therefore our "essence" is the sum of everything that makes us up from a biological standpoint.
The difficult crossover concept is that thoughts, personality, who we are is a result of these purely mechanical processes.
Without the mechanical processes, we do not exist, therefore I can only conclude that there will be no life after death as the processes which give us life will be gone. In order for my life (assuming my life is my consciousness), to exist once my biological functions have ceased, then there would need to exist a way for some form of transference of me to some other form of supporting system. Now I have absolutely no proof whatsoever that this is the case, when people die there has never been any notable recording of energy leaving their body, the only accounts are from those on the brink of death and all of the experiences play out no differently to a vivid dream and as such can be reasonably explained as a variant of this.
In short, my inability to believe in something which not only has little proof but in fact has no proof and requires me to simply believe in something which has been constructed by my and other peoples imaginations leads me to say that unless new evidence is brought to light, I categorically cannot believe that I will continue to live after I am dead.
It isn't hard at all.
There is a mind involved in the beauty you see. Yours. Beauty is a wholly subjective evaluation. You are creating the beauty you see in some things in the universe.
If you have faith in the existence of a creator of the universe, fine. That's your business, as long as you don't try to make it anyone else's. Make up your own religion as much as you like. Just don't pretend that your religion is rational and so supported by evidence that it's hard to not believe it. That's dishonest.
Yes, I am saying that you are religious. You have faith in a creator of the universe. That's a religious position. So you are wrong to say that you have no belief in any religion. You've just created your own religion. Nothing new in that - every religion was created by someone.
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I'd like to ask the believers which dead souls/life forces are allowed into the Life After Death club?
Is it only humans or every living thing that has ever lived on the Earth?
Why at the last count was there 6,781 people who claimed to be Henry VIII and 1,376 who claimed to be Elvis?
Can they all be mad or does the soul/life force split up into multiple parts?
If in the LAD Club you are yourself how long does it go on for and where do you stay?
Is it only humans or every living thing that has ever lived on the Earth?
Why at the last count was there 6,781 people who claimed to be Henry VIII and 1,376 who claimed to be Elvis?
Can they all be mad or does the soul/life force split up into multiple parts?
If in the LAD Club you are yourself how long does it go on for and where do you stay?