I went ahead with the Insignia VXR

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Peerzy said:
Ta, exactly.



I'd imagine lanching a car in outta space is better on the tyres than doing one trip to the local shops as well - should I make that comment?

I assume then you buy your cars simply on how good you think the engine is in (ie how many track days it's done followed by services and trips to the dealer?) and ignore all the other stuff like bald tyres, side skirts hanging off, rust and brakes that are no longer their because of all the use?

All that other stuff that makes up a car :confused:
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Oh right, so you claimed my original comment wasn't correct because it isn't relevant to your train of thought. Just LOL.

[TW]Fox;17691413 said:
Why is it that everyone who thinks you are posting rubbish again is 'trying to be Fox'?

Just because he has the same opinion as me doesn't mean he's trying to be me.
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No, for days he's been following you around Motors, pretty much copying everything you've said. I'm not the only one who has noticed this, either ;)

[TW]Fox;17691413 said:
Nobody has backtracked here. Why not go to bed before causing another silly argument with your bizarre opinions :)
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Oh right, so you weren't disputing my comments on the engine? No you were.

So you haven't just claimed that the engine bit is irrelevant because you think the whole car is more relevant, even though I'm clearly talking about the engine? No wait, you did.

I'm confused, you either dispute my comments or you don't?
 
MikeH, how is it that an engine being ragged hard on track is better for it than using a proportion of the engines ability sitting on the motorway at an almost constant rpm?

Surely using up these revs means more wear, increased oil usage, as well as numerous other effects to the rest of the car, I would suspect that the more revs the car uses the more wear is done on the engine.

Granted your point about cold starts, this is where a lot of damage is done, but when sitting on the motorway doing 2hours of constant speed driving, will certainly not give more wear than 2 hours ragging it round a track.
 
Nice car, lovely colour. Couldn't be bothered to read the rest of the comments, it's all a bit same old:p
 
Sup bro just taking my car 3 hours up the motorway, better get the cash card handy because if its worse for my car than the last track day I went on I'm going to need a full set of tyres and have to stop every half an hour or so to give the car a break from the strain a full out journey on the motorway has on a car.
 
Let me clarify shall I?

I dispute your comments.

I feel the engine alone is irrelevent because a car is more than an engine and sitting at the side of the motorway with a clutch that went after 20k miles because it spent the first part of its life being spanked around a track saying 'the engine is fine' is unlikely to make you feel better.

But, as you are MikeH, you've gone off on some random specific thing whereby you are referring only to the engine. If you wish to do this, stupid though it is given that, well, a car is more than an engine, then fine but I dispute that as well.

You seem to be confusing the fact that there is a certain school of thought that breaking a car in less than gently can be more helpful than babying it.

This is not the same thing as saying that spanking the living daylights out of a 3000 mile old engine around a series of race tracks in the UK for hours on end is better for the engine than starting it outside your house, driving to the Motorway, and doing 200 miles up it.

Effectively what has happened here is that yet again your delusion that you've got any idea what you are talking about combined with your seemingly massive ego has led you to rush off with a completely ridiculous point that the entire universe thinks is wrong, but you think is right.

Know your limits. You've got a little bit of knowledge but you think you are amazing and that actually your little bit of knowledge is really a huge amount of knowledge backed up by lots of practical meaningful awesome experience. This is not the case.

And before you start, I've got a little bit of knowledge as well but I'm reasonably content with the fact thats all it is, and usually am quite happy to be corrected by people who DO know whats what (ie not you).
 
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MikeHiow said:
Crap
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Oh hai!

So you think that a car that is HAMMERED around a track mercilessly by a large number of different people that have absolutely no interest in the lifespan of the car constantly, day in day out is going to be less worn than one that has sat on the M6 for the same distance?

Engine, suspension, brakes, all three - I'm not fussy. Take your pick and justify it.
 
[TW]Fox;17691465 said:
Effectively what has happened here is that yet again your delusion that you've got any idea what you are talking about combined with your seemingly massive ego has led you to rush off with a completely ridiculous point that the entire universe thinks is wrong, but you think is right.

Know your limits. You've got a little bit of knowledge but you think you are amazing and that actually your little bit of knowledge is really a huge amount of knowledge backed up by lots of practical meaningful awesome experience. This is not the case.
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LOL GET OWNED MIKIE
 
MikeHiow said:
You act like track work is going to kill these engines? Providing there is sufficient cooling, Engines that are worked hard, see a good variable range of revs over short track distances all day are going to be healthier than ones that sit at a constant 3000RPM for 2 hours every day, run from cold every morning and evening etc.
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One of the most if not the most ridiculous statement I think you have come out with.

Leave the engineering to those who actually understand it rather than your weird 'beliefs'.

Unforunately most of us have taken the bait, I'm out. OP enjoy the car :cool:
 
MrLOL said:
just FYI

me and lashout both agree with fox here. Just shut up mike before you derail another thread. Please.
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I haven't, I was just entering perfectly harmless discussion. I've highlighted the points where this "discussion" went south.

MikeHiow said:
You act like track work is going to kill these engines? Providing there is sufficient cooling, Engines that are worked hard, see a good variable range of revs over short track distances all day are going to be healthier than ones that sit at a constant 3000RPM for 2 hours every day, run from cold every morning and evening etc.
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[TW]Fox;17691168 said:
Are you trying to argue that being hammered around a race track is less harsh on a car than sitting on the Motorway for 2 hours a day?

Ding Ding, is that Round 783 beginning?
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MikeHiow said:
On the engine? Providing they are cooled properly (and the oil system is doing its job!) then yes, I believe an engine driven on track is less harsh than one started from cold twice a day, followed by sitting at constant revs for hours on end.

The rest of the car? Of course track work is going to take its toll more than sitting on a motorway, but as long as it is maintained properly, I don't see an issue?
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[TW]Fox;17691207 said:
Is this as a result of your considerable racing driver experience?

You are amazing, really you are :D

I dont think there was a single car there that wasn't crashed multiple times over high curbs at reasonable speed for example. Some of the instructors made you drive the cars very, very, very hard. And then the second you got out, somebody else got in and off it went again for another 3 laps of hard driving.

Over and over and over.
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[TW]Fox;17691465 said:
You seem to be confusing the fact that there is a certain school of thought that breaking a car in less than gently can be more helpful than babying it.

This is not the same thing as saying that spanking the living daylights out of a 3000 mile old engine around a series of race tracks in the UK for hours on end is better for the engine than starting it outside your house, driving to the Motorway, and doing 200 miles up it.

Effectively what has happened here is that yet again your delusion that you've got any idea what you are talking about combined with your seemingly massive ego has led you to rush off with a completely ridiculous point that the entire universe thinks is wrong, but you think is right.
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I see you've finally found something on Google.

No, I'm not confusing it with any running in procedure.

Beyond the simple fact that these engines are almost certainly maintained better than your average car that goes up and down the motorway every day, the detail of my thoughts is a little more than I'm willing to go into this evening after a few glasses of Red, but tomorrow I'll happily entertain your silly little quest to dispute everything that doesn't sound right to you, with an explanation of why I believe what I do. I'll even dig out some interesting articles for you to have a read of.

Until then, feel free to continue as you were, as it'll only make it all the more satisfying :)
 
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The thought that an engine that is started from cold, taken out on to a track and ragged senseless by mechanically unsympathetic probably mostly not overly skilled drivers, bouncing of the limiter, using the full rev range from idling to redline, parked up for a few minutes and then taken straight out again for some more will be in better condition than one thats started, driven to the motorway, cruised at a regular sensible speed and then parked up is, quite frankly, bonkers.
 
Mike: When you drive up the motorway do you do so bouncing off the limiter in 2nd/3rd to minimise engine wear?
 
Just open your eyes.

It isnt just me. It's everyone. Everyone laughs at the constant 'HUH?' you come out with. Every thread, every week, it's some new randomly ridiculous comment. It's like clockwork now. Why do you think I said 'Round 782' or whatever. It's because oh look, here is a perfectly sensible discussion and in comes MikeHiow with an off the wall 'fact'.
 
MikeHiow said:
The detail of my thoughts is a little more than I'm willing to go into this evening after a few glasses of Red, but tomorrow I'll happily entertain your silly little quest to dispute everything that doesn't sound right to you, with an explanation of why I believe what I do. I'll even dig out some interesting articles for you to have a read of.

Until then, feel free to continue as you were, as it'll only make it all the more satisfying :)
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MIKIE PLEASE STOP DIGGING IT IS NOT THE ANSWER.

On the other hand, I do oh so look forward to you posting some credible sources tomorrow that will of course not be at all completely irrelevant and unsatisfactory.
 
hurfdurf said:
On the other hand, I do oh so look forward to you posting some credible sources tomorrow that will of course not be at all completely irrelevant and unsatisfactory.
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We are sure to see usual MikeHiow style. He'll subtly backtrack a bit more with every further post until eventually posting some evidence that 'Occasional hard driving is not that bad for an engine' and quote this as the victory he obviously covets.

Happens most times. Change the story as you go along until the end result is that your story makes a bit of sense and everyone has too much of a headache to go back through the other 34 pages to notice how much he's changed his original POV.

When I post something thats basically totally wrong - and it certainly happens - I either say 'Ok, I was wrong' or I concede or if I'm particularly embarrased, I'll run away from the thread with my tail between my legs and hope it goes away. Mike on the other hand just keeps going and going and going and going and seemingly doesnt notice its almost always everyone else on the forum v him.
 
I have done a VXR trackday. The Astra VXR i drove would not go into second gear and Pulled to the left constantly. I Canned the arse of it for about 30 mins The engine temp was hitting the Red for most of the time and the clutch and brakes stank of burning and over use all with 3k on the clock... I,m no expert but i think you would be hard pushed to do as much damage on a motorway unless you crashed the thing....
 
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