I went ahead with the Insignia VXR

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[ui]ICEMAN;17693374 said:
Time for me to bite on this one I guess. Since Wicksta's racing history wasn't enough for you, how about mine? I raced 2 seasons in the Ferrari challenge with 2 of our own race prepared 360's. Both of these had extreme mods to the cooling systems and were fairly unstressed engines yet we had to have them rebuilt every season at least once, not to mention the failures we had mid race.

If Ferrari's are too unreliable to satisfy you then how about the Goald, Evo VII RA and the Lola f1 cars that my dad and I hill climbed regularly? All of those required major maintenance throughout the season, something that would not have occurred driving to and from the event repeatedly.
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Which Lola were you racing iceman?
 
There can be no possible comeback to somebody who races Ferrari 360's in the Ferrari Challenge telling you that you are wrong.

Despite this, I would put money on MikeH's next post not being an admission that he was mistaken, but yet another strand he'll attempt to go off on to prove himself right :D
 
Mikes on the ropes after a crushing left from the Iceman, can he turn him and come off the ropes.....
 
I'm not going to repeat myself. I do find it a shame that the thread has gone from half-sensible discussion to this again, though.

How we've got to comparing a Ferrari Challenge race car (or any race car, actually!) to a standard VXR, I really don't know.
 
InvaderGIR said:
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Can someone tell me what this stands for. I can't find it on Google.

MikeHiow said:
How we've got to comparing a Ferrari Challenge race car (or any race car, actually!) to a standard VXR, I really don't know.
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Because you wouldn't accept Wicksta's evidence...?

Or does someone that races VXRs have to come along before you'll admit you're trolling?
 
MikeHiow said:
At the point where it is off boost, I concede. But this is more about the life a car like this would have on the motorway/normal use, when you factor in things like in gear overtakes - WOT (or near to) in 6th at low RPM is going to be a lot more stressful, as is running from cold several times a day, having the car turned off with the turbo still smoking hot, the lack of maintenance etc.
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Lets relate that to a conrod bolt....

Oh no you cant because the high load condition for that component in an engine is high rpm.

Next?
 
MikeHiow said:
I'm not going to repeat myself. I do find it a shame that the thread has gone from half-sensible discussion to this again, though.

How we've got to comparing a Ferrari Challenge race car (or any race car, actually!) to a standard VXR, I really don't know.
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You're right, there is no comparism. Around 90 minutes and maybe 50 laps over a race weekend is nothing compared to the constant hammering day after day that a track car gets.
 
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You're right, there is no comparism. Around 90 minutes and maybe 50 laps over a race weekend is nothing compared to the constant hammering day after day that a track car gets.
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Except one is a highly tuned race engine, enduring a whole season of abuse, and the other is a reasonably low state of tune that has to put up with it for a few days?
 
MikeHiow said:
I'm not going to repeat myself. I do find it a shame that the thread has gone from half-sensible discussion to this again, though.
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It's gone this way because you made a completely ridiculous comment and then refused to back down when everyone else in the thread told you that you were wrong.

Then somebody came along with the sort of racing experience you can only dream of and also told you that you were wrong.

So now you are crying about how the thread has gone bad rather than facing up and saying 'Yea, I was totally wrong'. How unsuprising.

How we've got to comparing a Ferrari Challenge race car (or any race car, actually!) to a standard VXR, I really don't know.
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Because you constantly asked for proof that sustained hard track use was NOT punishing on an engine. So two people who have raced cars in professional race series have come along and explained how hard very hard track use is on an engine. Thats how the Ferrari Challenge got in here.

You are completely wrong. The cars used on the VXR cars, engines or whatever, have suffered many many times more wear over the first 12 months of their life than a car which has simply been used normally up and down the Motorway.

It really is that simple - you just canot or will not see it.

The second you stop posting ridiculously off the wall opinions, this will all end up stopping. You cant honestly still think you are always right can you? I mean seriously? It's always everyone in the thread v you. Does that never tell you something?

Except one is a highly tuned race engine, enduring a whole season of abuse, and the other is a reasonably low state of tune that has to put up with it for a few days?
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OMG you are STILL at it! He said they suffered failures MID RACE as well as rebuilds over the season. There were what, 10+ VXR days each with hours of track time. Seems like comparable amounts of track time to me!

Hard track use is more punishing on every single component of a car than driving up the M1 with carpet samples in the boot. How anyone can dispute that is just nonsensical! We shouldnt even NEED to have people who raced Ferraris telling you that you are wrong.

Heck even my Gran could probably tell you that you are wrong. It's that basic!
 
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MikeHiow said:
I'm not going to repeat myself. I do find it a shame that the thread has gone from half-sensible discussion to this again, though.

How we've got to comparing a Ferrari Challenge race car (or any race car, actually!) to a standard VXR, I really don't know.
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:eek::rolleyes: Seriously?

This is like presenting evidence of evolution to a creationist!
 
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