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Hi I wanted to upgrade my 9800gx2 to something better. My budget is £200
My current specs:
q9450
nforce 790i ultra sli
9800gx2
4gb ddr3 1066 <<<<need to upgrade any advice is welcome
psu dont know as its an alienware
windows 7 ultimate+8xtreme mod

Can someone tell me how much i could sell my old 9800gx2 and if £200 is enough for something better and less power consuming and additional £100 for new ddr3 4gb.
 
If I remember right the 9800GX2 is approximately 2x 8800GTs stuck together.
You should notice a decent improvement from something like a 6870. Higher framerates, especially when it comes to mininum, no worries about dual card utilisation or support, and should be smaller, quieter and have support for newer tech.

If you haven't I'd consider overclocking your processor where possible, tbh, not sure if I'd bother upgrading the RAM, it won't make a massive difference in most cases; certainly much less than the new GPU.
 
ok so a 6870 does it consume less power and yes i can overclock it to 3.6ghz stable but would like to buy 4gb ddr3 1600mhz
 
also i read online that my nforce 790i ultra sli can use ddr3 2000mhz? shall i get 4gb 1600mhz or 2000mhz
 
When it's idle the 6870 will consume far less power than the 9800GX2, no contest, and its load power draw is slightly lower too, both peak and average load :)

In terms of memory....well, if you have the cash and it doesn't cost much get the faster stuff, but seriously, unless something is massively wrong right now, it won't offer you massive performance improvements, certainly nothing like a faster processor, graphics card or upgrading to 8GB if you were using more than 4GB and using pagefile. Most consumer programmes are NOT memory bandwidth limited, even with slower memory.

For example:
http://www.hexu s.net/content/item.php?item=17066&page=7

Notice shifting from DDR3 1066-->1600 is only giving them *1* extra FPS average at 1680x1050 in FarCry2. The only time it made a bigger difference was very low res when CPU/Memory limitations were coming into play.
 
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thank you m8
my basica idea is to make my system faster as my 9800gx2 has died on me and i thought changing the ram and graphics card would make a change to performance
 
The graphics card, definately [dead to decent card working is a big difference! :D], overclocking the CPU...again definately...overhauling the RAM....not really. Does 1 FPS extra at 1680x1050 in FarCry2 as an example really set your world on fire?

Better places to use the money, like an SSD for your OS and Games [as an example, my extremely light HTPC's Win7 install loaded from power on in 30 seconds on the old HDD, and now loads in 21, and everything HDD based is pretty nippy], or saving it for something else, like the next round of upgrades when the time comes.

4GB of RAM, regardless of speed, is still perfect for most users. Sure, if you were building a new machine from scratch, go for the fastest, but replacing for the sake of it, in your case would be a waste of cash :)
 
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ok so i have to get a new graphics card and i looked at the ati radeon hd 6870 sapphire and good reviews on the overclockers website.
now ssd you was saying. what would be advantage of getting that instead of a lot better memory
 
Dude above is telling you correct, upgrading your ram, will not benifit you as much as you think.

I only have 4gb 800mhz ram, but my 5870 and my overclocked core 2 quad allows to to play metro 2033 as good as anyone with a 5870.

Get your cpu up to 3.6ghz if possible, put your cash in to getting the best gpu you can. SSD not neccessary, upgrading the ram not neccessary.

If its pure gaming performance you want, then get the best gpu you can afford.

I asked the same question regarding ssd. The ssd will help with load times etc.. but will not neccessarily give you better fps, but a graphics card will!

Your comuter is decent similar to mine. Get your quad up to 3.6ghz, get a gpu in the 6870/gtx 470 and above category and your good to go for the next two+ years.

My system I expect to last me 2 years... I will upgrade in 2013...

If you'v got £300 to spend I would wait for the new 6900 series ATI and the rumered GTX 580 and get what you can afford from those!!

I would personally get a GTX 470 if I was looking to spend £200
 
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ok so i have to get a new graphics card and i looked at the ati radeon hd 6870 sapphire and good reviews on the overclockers website.
now ssd you was saying. what would be advantage of getting that instead of a lot better memory

SSD's don't change the world, they just make everything thats limited by the disc drive that bit faster. An example would be my HTPC above, with a normal [admittedly laptop] HDD my boot time was 30 seconds, with an SSD it's 21.
They don't set the world on fire, and they're not as big a thing as some people make them out to be...but they are faster, they're just pricey. Simply put it'd reduce your loading times; whether you notice the difference is up to you, BUT it'd be a more worthwhile place to put your cash.
If you decide not to get the SSD, you could even see whether one of the new GPUs coming shortly from AMD will suit you, as they'll be even faster! (68xx are the new midrange gaming cards, new 69xx coming soon are the top end)
 
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as i dont know much about graphics card and guys your help is much appreciated. Shall i wait till new cards are released or spend £300 on a new graphics card now?
 
Wait.... the new cards are due out in the next few weeks...... basically this month or next.

I think it well worth waiting! Your current card is still able to play games no?

For you I think the best option is:

A. Overclock your cpu to 3.6Ghz

B. If you achive this and its stable, then spend your money on a 6970 (the 5870 succesor)

C. If for what ever reason your not able to get up to 3.6ghz on your quad, then get either a gtx470 or a 6870.

No need for a ram upgrade.
 
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Don't spend £300 now, either get something like the AMD/ATI 6870 or Nvidia's GTX470 for around £200, or wait and see what ATI brings out at about £300, depending on whether you want to wait.

Right now if you were to spend £300 you'd be getting something like a 5870, which is about to be replaced with a faster card for the same region of cash.
 
hmmmmm well my 9800gx2 is dead and im left with no options apart from waiting and studying at uni or buying a card now
will i regret buying a 5870 now then a new card in a few weeks?
 
hmmmmm well my 9800gx2 is dead and im left with no options apart from waiting and studying at uni or buying a card now
will i regret buying a 5870 now then a new card in a few weeks?

Hmmmm I only bought my 5870 3 months ago.

Its quite, cool and very powerfull, but its not worth £300!

Do not buy a 5870 at £300, its not worth it.

If you have to buy now and dont want to wait (which you should)

Get a 6870 > GTX 470 > GTX 480

What I would do first tho, is get that cpu up to 3.6ghz... if you manage that then you can get a card as powerfull as a gtx 480 if you want to buy now.

But the new ATI cards should be out by the end of Novemeber...

Bear in mind tho cards such as the GTX 480 are noisey! If you dont want noise, get a GTX 470 with a nice cooler or a 6870.

The GTX 470 is generally a good match for the 5870 and its only £200 at the moment.
 
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ok so shall i overclock it to 3.6ghz first and how do i check if its stable ? i thought i would need better ram for a more efficient overclock. my ram chips show up in lavalys everest at 2x2gb 533mhz each
 
hmmm

I assumed you already knew how to overclock your cpu.......

The best method I know to check for stability is using prime 95

Download the 32 or 64 bit version depending on your Windows version.

Have you overcloked before??
 
yes its straight forward on the bios options on the nforce. yes i have overclocked it before to 3.4ghz but put it back down as i thought better ram should be required ?
 
hmm

you really need to test the overclock for stability over a few hours....

I posted this in another thread, it was for some one else so ignore the references to the hardware, but the method you should use to get the highest overclcok for your cpu:

I feel obliged to comment here.

Firstly yea, save your money and overclock your cpu.

You will defo get better results by investing in better cooling.

I think you should look at picking up a good, but not too expensive cooler so as to get a good price/performance cooling solution. Maybe some one can point one out for oyu.

I too was previously totally clueless about overclocking and someone helped me out, so its my turn to contribute back to the communty.

Lucky for you the Core 2 quads are the one cpu's I have actually successfully overclocked, and really it is quite easy.

Right first things first your process Q9300 according to here: http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=33922

It looks like the max 'safe' amount of volts your cpu will operate under (underload, not neccessarily in bios) is 1.3625V which happens to be the same as my Qx9650.

You will need a few programs to help you adjust the volts and monitor heat.

The first program you want is Prime95: http://www.mersenne.org/freesoft/

If you on 64bit windows get the 64bit version, if not go 32bit.

Next you need a program for viewing volts and one for monitoring temps.

I was lucky in that my Asus mobo, came with both those in one program.

You can try Speed fan: http://www.almico.com/speedfan.php for volts

and

Core Temp: http://www.alcpu.com/CoreTemp/ for temps.

Basically before you begin, your overclock will be determined but whic out of the two walls you hit first, either heat or volts. With stock cooling your more likely to be limited by heat than volts.

At this point, I would hold of overclocking and purchase my cooler and then do the overclocking, otherwise your probably do this twice!

Lets say you'v now go a good cooler. (£20 - £30 maybe less)

Reboot your computer go in to your bios. Up your fsb by 5mhz, reboot.

You should boot in to windows. Run your heat and volt monitoring software, before running prime95. Run Prime 95, choose small fft, go to the advanced option and turn the "turn round error checking on".

Run prime for 30 mins. If you dont get an error or a crash, reboot pc, go in to bios, and up fsb by another 5mhz.

Rpeat above steps, if you crash, get an error or windows cant boot, go in to bios and up the volts by the samllest step possible.

Try again. Boot in to windows, rerun software run prime for 30mins. If no errors, up fsb by 5mhz, keep upping fsb or volts as allows untill the cpu is too hot, or your more or less close to the 1.3625v threshhold your cpu can safely opperate under.

During all of this try to run your ram, at its slowest speed ie if its 800mhz ram, run it at the slowest it will allow. For instance I run my cpu at 3.7 but my ram is at 820mhz, which at stock speed is 800. This is mostly so that the ram, is not the unstable thing which is hindering the overclock.

After you'v spent a good few hours, maybe two days..... overclcoking your cpu, you will have found a clock speed that is near max, withing safe volt and temp paramiters... once youv found this, you need to make sure the cpu can maintin this for a prolong period of time, otherwise you may be playing a gaim etc, and the system will just crash on you.

Basically run prime for about 5-8 hours. If it doesnt crash, awsome, you can consider it stable. If it crashes or errors after a few hours, lower overclock by 5mhz, and try again. You will find the right stable max overclock for your processor.

Make sure when you run prime, that you have 5 threads running. 4 testing each core and one the master thread.

As for temps, im not sure what the max is, but for me, anything over 55c-60c is starting to get pretty toasty, with the core 2 Quads...


Also at this point dont touch your northbridge, southbridge or ram volts, but please tell me what your computer reports the volts as.
 
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