Dogs parachuted into Afghanistan

Biohazard said:
Yes there is appeal to emotion and human concepts not applicable.
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No there isn't.


Because you seemed to be implying it has been thrown out on its own.
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No I'm not, none of my statements require that to be true.

Yet again with the merry go round.

So its sacrifice again? Not consent?
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Correct, the dog cannot consent to what it cannot comprehend.

On a human level yes.
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And the action here is a human one.

Well, you're pretty ignorant and emotional for it then.
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I didn't realise education and ignorance were synonyms.

Yes it is. :confused:

What's wrong with you?

Do you just think type and it'll go away?
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An argument is a proposition followed by a conclusion. My sentence did not follow that construct.

You're just taking me round in circles here Biohazard, if I have to repeat myself again I think I will explode, pages of repetition and semantics because I have a different ethical viewpoint to you. It doesn't help that you don't understand what a straw man or a fallacy is in general is. Not a single actual rebuttal to my original assertion about it being unethical, it's pointless discussing this any further. I've given my opinion on the ethics and I'm not going to spend any more time on the matter. :)
 
Energize said:
No there isn't.
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Yes there is.






Energize said:
No I'm not, none of my statements require that to be true.
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Fair enough with the first part, the second part is just strange.



Energize said:
Correct, the dog cannot consent to what it cannot comprehend.
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It does comprehend the general situation on the ground I'd guess, it just wouldn't comprehend consent. If it didn't want to do it, it wouldn't do it.

It doesn't really matter. It is a human applicable theory anyway.

The animal is running off instinct.



Energize said:
And the action here is a human one.
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Which is?




Energize said:
I didn't realise education and ignorance were synonyms.
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You've shown yourself pretty ignorant or at least emotionally charged, so I don't know what your bleating about.





Energize said:
An argument is a proposition followed by a conclusion. My sentence did not follow that construct.
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No, your getting definitions mixed up again. We were having an argument. That one sentence does not constitute it all.



Energize said:
You're just taking me round in circles here Biohazard, if I have to repeat myself again I think I will explode, pages of repetition and semantics because I have a different ethical viewpoint to you.
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Your doing the circles all by yourself.

Yes, blame others for your failings.

Original.

You might note I'm not the only person to pick you up for your dancing arguments but hey, keep up the ignorant stance. No difference to me.



Energize said:
It doesn't help that you don't understand what a straw man or a fallacy is in general is.
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Oh yes I do.


Energize said:
Not a single actual rebuttal to my original assertion about it being unethical, it's pointless discussing this any further. I've given my opinion on the ethics and I'm not going to spend any more time on the matter. :)
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So have we.

:)
 
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Trust me, there is far worse that happens with animals in the forces.

Like those American soldiers who were video recorded throwing a small puppy off a cliff in Afghanistan to its death

Sickening

Im not saying parachuting dogs in to the front line is acceptable, as its not, with the advance in technology such as unmanned overhead surveillance with UAV technology there is no excuse in using live animals to identify the Taliban, even with no UAV technology its not an excuse to start using animals.

Saying that I have seen various documentaries on the Afghan war where dogs are regularly following front line drops in and around compounds, out of choice! they are stray which belong to neither of the forces
 
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DJMK4 said:
Trust me, there is far worse that happens with animals in the forces.

Like those American soldiers who were video recorded throwing a small puppy off a cliff in Afghanistan to its death

Sickening

Im not saying parachuting dogs in to the front line is acceptable, as its not, with the advance in technology such as unmanned overhead surveillance with UAV technology there is no excuse in using live animals to identify the Taliban, even with no UAV technology its not an excuse to start using animals.
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UAV's can see through roofs and buildings?

It's clear people will be divided on this, but that isn't a solution for the problem.

Perhaps robots would be in the future. But then won't someone think of the AI! ;)

DJMK4 said:
Saying that I have seen various documentaries on the Afghan war where dogs are regularly following front line drops in and around compounds, out of choice! they are stray which belong to neither of the forces
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I hope someone picked up their consent forms! :p
 
DJMK4 said:
UAV's can detect heat sources surely?
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Real thermal imaging (unlike the movies) can't see the 30-40'c heat given off by a human through walls, roofs or even glass so they can't be used for inside buildings.

I've used both the MX15 (police camera action type) turret and a Safire TI system (hand held) and unless there's a part of the person visable you can't see their heat though walls etc which, if you think about it, makes sense. Their heat would have to pass through an object before it gets to the TI sensor and how long would they have to be motionless to allow their heat to pass through 2ft of wood/dirt etc!
 
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