Are Americans Dumb

[TW]Fox;17753157 said:
Then you should be bright enough to realise that no, American people are not stupid. Some of them are stupid, some of them are very intelligent, many of them are very average.

Just like the United Kingdom.

This.

My wife is Texan and silly smart (actually most Texans i meet are very intelligent people) They do have a less than perfect understanding of world affairs/history but that makes them far from dumb.
 
Definately.

Of my two experiences of the US I came back with 2 different opinions...

First time to the western side we had some hick yelling at us (british people) for voting Obama in...

Second time I worked with a variety of college students and youngish people (all 20-30) in the east and they were perfectly smart, in fact a few of them had spent periods studying abroad etc.

So yeah you have the idiots and the normal people. Older and "less" educated people, just like in this country can be very dim (think chavs), younger/more liveral/educated can be very intelligent.

i agree that north east is more educated (lived in NY and went to uni in Boston) but unfortunately many places in america can be sketchy, go to places like arizona, texas, or around the mississippi (the whole bible belt). the ignorance is truly unbelievable. for instance, many think Obama is a muslim.

it's much worse than your experience out on the west coast ;) (which by the way i would not classify as ignorant or uneducated on the whole)
 
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Ronald Reagan, George Bush and soon to be Sarah Palin. Just on that list alone, i have to question the general level of intelligence of the average American.
Are they really that stupid or are they hiding something from the rest of the world.

Ya sometimes I am ashamed to live in the US & the dimwits voted in more republicans!!! Have you heard of the Tea Party, if you thought the average Republican was dumb, you haven't seen anything yet. Our Gov. needs a total redo. Oh man, I hate to to even think Sarah Palin might win!!!!!!!
 
I think part of the problem is that things like this come from international research, with constant refinements. Now where does the first of something come from if bits were taken from others research with successive builds... :p

Aye, many on that list that flat out aren't American (such as the motorbike*...) are at best part American based on existing ideas (incremental improvements), or an American idea but the practical work done by (or with) others.
CD's are another one that IIRC is an odd one.
From memory the original idea came from an American, but the actual working CD format came directly from research done by Sony and Phillips, which in turn was based on work from other parties.
Yet the basic principle which it works by can be traced back to a system developed in France for looms/weaving (with the punch card, the first digital data storage system;))...


Back on topic.

I don't think that Reagan was "stupid", but I don't think he was hugely smart, rather he was average with a good team of advisers and handlers who knew how to take a reasonably smart, popular, known face and turn him into a politician.

I personally don't think that Americans are any more dumb than any other nationality.
However they are often very proud, and many have very little interest in things outside their borders which tends to make a some of them extremely ignorant of the outside world - not because they are stupid, but because America is big enough to let it's residents be fairly isolated from the rest of the world.
Whilst Europeans for example are often only a few tens/hundreds of miles at most from neighbouring countries, and will commonly travel to another country for a holiday for reasons such as different scenery/beaches/skiing, Americans can have almost any sort of holiday conditions without leaving the USA.
Add to that an education system that varies wildly (as do education levels), and a TV/Radio culture that is much more highly based on "local" affairs and entertainment, with very little regulation in some ways, and it's not surprising that they can get some very strange ideas that can make them sound extemely stupid to the outside world.
When some "news" channels are little more than propaganda that reinforces certain ideas without any requirement to try and be balanced, that just makes it worse**, it's quite easy to fall into believing something that is stupid/not real.

Ultimately, it all comes down to Education levels, access to information, and the habit of learning to think for yourself, in those regards some Americans ironically are probably closer to the likes of people in Pakistan/India/Afghanistan in regards to how polarized their views can be by their lack of exposure to the outside world/other view points.
In Pakistan etc it's often in remote areas the case that the primary news/education comes from religious sources, in America it's all to easy to fall into only listening/reading the often highly polarized news and opinions that fit the political affiliation, and it's then that you get the large numbers of people who can believe (and be very vocal) in a manner that makes them look "dumb", but be extremely smart/capable in their day to day jobs or other areas where they do have to think for themselve.
Add to that the American dominance of many parts of the media, and the "dumb" ones get a LOT of exposure.

Basically, in one sentence.
Smart people can seem very dumb depending on circumstances.


Sorry for the long rambling post, i've not been able to sleep:p

*IIRC they are either French or German depending on which definition you use (German for the first internal combustion, French for a steam powered one, or was it the other way round?).
**And one of the reasons having one person controlling too much of the media is a bad thing.
 
Those militaristic idiot Americans who invented the internet are pretty stupid.

Some idiotic useless American inventions/discoveries I NEVER use:

Airplanes
Electricity
Telephones
"Cellphones"
LEDs
Various stupid vaccines and medicines that probly don't even work
GPS
Credit cards
Google
Lightbulbs
Nuclear power stations
TV
Microwave cooking
Refrigeration
Digital cameras
Ethernet networks
Motorbikes
Zips
Velcro
Supermarkets
Barcodes
Digital computers
Microprocessors
Radio
Carbon fibre
CDs

So how did you post this then?

 
When some "news" channels are little more than propaganda that reinforces certain ideas without any requirement to try and be balanced, that just makes it worse*

lol I love how fox news won a court case and is legally allowed to "falsify the news it reports" :D
 
Those militaristic idiot Americans who invented the internet are pretty stupid.

Some idiotic useless American inventions/discoveries I NEVER use:

Airplanes
Electricity
Telephones
"Cellphones"
LEDs
Various stupid vaccines and medicines that probly don't even work
GPS
Credit cards
Google
Lightbulbs
Nuclear power stations
TV
Microwave cooking
Refrigeration
Digital cameras
Ethernet networks
Motorbikes
Zips
Velcro
Supermarkets
Barcodes
Digital computers
Microprocessors
Radio
Carbon fibre
CDs

Electricity: The English physician William Gilbert, in 1600 studied the relationship between electricity and magnetism in detail and was able to find the lodestone effect due to static electricity, that was produced by rubbing amber. Thus, the Latin word electricus, meaning 'of amber' was coined by Gilbert. Soon, in 1646 Thomas Browne's Pseudodoxia Epidemica included the English words 'electric' and 'electricity'. Therefore one can answer the question who was the first person to invent electricity as William Gilbert, who became the father of modern electricity.

Telephone: Alexander Graham Bell, a Scottish-born inventor, scientist, philanthropist and teacher of the deaf is the person most widely credited as the inventor of the electric telephone. Even this is suggested that the French, Germans and Italians came up with this idea some 20 years before.

The 1st light bulb was built by Humphry Davy (an Englishman) in 1809. Thomas Alva Edison improved the invention and based his improvements on a patent he purchased from inventors Henry Woodward & Matthew Evans who patented their bulb in 1875.

Velcro: The hook-loop fastener was invented in 1948 by Swiss engineer, Georges de Mestral who lived in Commugny, Switzerland.

Carbon Fibre: Carbon fibre was invented by the British in the 1960s (at the Royal Aircraft Establishment, Farnborough)

All food related inventions can be credited to the Americans. Big surprise there :D

The list that you have come up with is open to debate. Most of the things that you claim were invented by Americans were simply patented first, not invented first. I would love to correct you on some of the others on the list but my shift is ending now :p
 
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Velcro: The hook-loop fastener was invented in 1948 by Swiss engineer, Georges de Mestral who lived in Commugny, Switzerland.

Star Trek: Enterprise fans know that Velcro was actually a gift from Vulcan scientist Commander Tepal while she was marooned on earth after her ship experienced trouble and crashed in the hills of Western Pennsylvania during the mid 20th Century.

Tepal sold the product to finance the college education of a young mountain boy she had met while awaiting rescue by the Vulcan High Command.

Honestly, if you not going to bother checking your facts, you shouldn't even be posting :p
 
Star Trek: Enterprise fans know that Velcro was actually a gift from Vulcan scientist Commander Tepal while she was marooned on earth after her ship experienced trouble and crashed in the hills of Western Pennsylvania during the mid 20th Century.

Tepal sold the product to finance the college education of a young mountain boy she had met while awaiting rescue by the Vulcan High Command.

Honestly, if you not going to bother checking your facts, you shouldn't even be posting :p

I stand corrected ;)
 
simulatorman said:
Ronald Reagan, George Bush were/are not dumb.

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George W Bushes problem is that Europe and the UK just do not "get" Texans, they have a folksy manner and way of speaking which we would never expect form a politician. Can you imagine Cameron saying after 911, we are going to find them and we are going to kick their ass, then from that day all we ever saw in the press was a cartoon image of him.

Never happen. I like the way he has said nothing about the Obama Administration, in the past two years, despite Obama quite literately slating him at his inauguration, also when it came to bailing out the auto industry and the banks, he got that through no problem, despite his personal reservations to make it easier for the new guy coming in. I think that is because the Clinton administration gave him such a hard time.

Ultimately History will judge him on Iraq, and Afghanistan, and history will probably judge him right.
 
Ya sometimes I am ashamed to live in the US & the dimwits voted in more republicans!!! Have you heard of the Tea Party, if you thought the average Republican was dumb, you haven't seen anything yet. Our Gov. needs a total redo. Oh man, I hate to to even think Sarah Palin might win!!!!!!!

You and a few others have finally got it. But i have to ask myself why do the republicans put forward these folksy candidates is the bible belt so important to them?
As for Sarah "i need a nailin'" Palin, you come from Alaska whose most important revenue is a fossil fuel yet you believe in creationism, where did that fuel come from?? I will give you a clue look at what they are called. Bush Jr, one dumb ass tail chasing jock, Bush Sr an intelligent man but guess what he couldnt be elected straight away, oh no he had to be vice president first. God damn what happened to his genes, was it those "missing years"? Ronald Reagan, his record speaks for himself.
Yes Sarah Palin, is not the incumbent President, but if the hoo haa being stirred up by the Fox News and Glenn "im gonna cry" Beck is anything to go by, we are heading for some faeces and fan collision.
For those of you who believe a Tea Party would be good for our country just watching the programme This World, which was presented by Andrew Neill not known for his left leanings would soon disabuse you of these ideas. http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00vv3pl
 
No, not all Americans are dumb.

Only the tiny percentage you see on TV are.

If the Americans watched our news, they would think that all british teenagers are drunk and violent where in fact it's a small percentage.
 
sarah palin wont, win, Obama might have lost the mid terms, but the other side have yet to put up a serious candiate, and he will trounce any of those. Obama is safe at the current time.

Its a bit like when Tony Blair won his second election in 2001, William Hague and what's hisname they were not serious contenders. likewise obama is in the same position, no serious competition.
 
sarah palin wont, win, Obama might have lost the mid terms, but the other side have yet to put up a serious candiate, and he will trounce any of those. Obama is safe at the current time.

Its a bit like when Tony Blair won his second election in 2001, William Hague and what's hisname they were not serious contenders. likewise obama is in the same position, no serious competition.

IBS Iain Duncan Smith was the other man.
 
3 people is a rather small sample, I can go to the local special school and pick out a sample of 10 kids that cannot speak or walk...

get a bigger sample a few 10's of 1000 and devise an inteligence test, sample also needs to be some how selects at random..

you have picked a very small sample and its not even random..

/<fail science>
 
sarah palin wont, win, Obama might have lost the mid terms, but the other side have yet to put up a serious candiate, and he will trounce any of those. Obama is safe at the current time.

Not if Jeb runs in 2012, he is by far the smartest Bush and would make a good president
 
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