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AMD HD6970 guaranteed to beat GTX580, according to sources

Probably in the fact it's AMD's 2nd generation of DX11 GPU, where's the GTX 580 is still essentially Fermi with some fixes.

Fermi was already a generation ahead of evergreen in terms of technical features - even if the design wasn't the best for the material process. The 6 series brings the technical feature level upto the same level as Fermi.
 
Fermi was already a generation ahead of evergreen in terms of technical features - even if the design wasn't the best for the material process. The 6 series brings the technical feature level upto the same level as Fermi.

But it really wasn't. The generations are dicated by what they release, not what they had plans for. nVidia's next gen will be when they can get some 28nm chips out.
 
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Depends in what regard your talking generation, numerical - which has very little real meaning other than a vague demarcation value or technical capability/feature wise.
 
Depends in what regard your talking generation, numerical - which has very little real meaning other than a vague demarcation value or technical capability/feature wise.

How can it be anything other than numerical? Are you saying Fermi is "generations ahead" due to features because you decide it is? :confused:

Are you really pretending that Fermi isn't the next generation after the GTX200s?
 
So your saying the technical merits of the Fermi architecture are the same as evergreen?

nVidia didn't make evergreen, so it's irellevent. :confused: As has been said, they're both first generation DX11 GPUs, or are you going to pretend Fermi is actually third generation DX11?
 
Compare things like the tessellation unit on evergreen against the polymorph engine on Fermi, thread scheduling/context switching, etc. its all far more advanced than the ATI hardware for DX11 functionality.
 
Compare things like the tessellation unit on evergreen against the polymorph engine on Fermi, thread scheduling/context switching, etc. its all far more advanced than the ATI hardware for DX11 functionality.

Advanced and generation aren't the same thing, it shocks me you can't distinguish this.
 
Compare things like the tessellation unit on evergreen against the polymorph engine on Fermi, thread scheduling/context switching, etc. its all far more advanced than the ATI hardware for DX11 functionality.

Irrelevant, they are both first generation DX11 hardware from each company ergo same generation ;)
 
Exactly. All I can say this thread is going the way exactly as he's expecting it to- people pointing fingers at each other and start arguing over nothing.

It's actually going that way because of people like you.

The title was copied & pasted from the article, didn't realise I had to edit titles of articles to avoid being jumped on!?
If your fanboy ego feels threatened by the title and your not mature enough to deal with it, then I'm sorry you feel like that.

Above all though, please stop crapping all over this thread...
 
nVidia didn't make evergreen, so it's irellevent. :confused: As has been said, they're both first generation DX11 GPUs, or are you going to pretend Fermi is actually third generation DX11?

In terms of DX11 support Fermi is 2nd generation, cayman barely scratches another generation over barts but if we give it that then we might as well give the GTX580 3rd generation as well as the changes are similiarly minor increases in efficency.
 
Fermi is 1st gen, 5xxx is first gen, 6xxx is second gen regardless of what your opinion of the technical merits are, that's how it works.
 
In terms of DX11 support Fermi is 2nd generation, cayman barely scratches another generation over barts but if we give it that then we might as well give the GTX580 3rd generation as well as the changes are similiarly minor increases in efficency.

:confused: are you being serious? How the hell is Fermi second generation? What's nVidia's first generation DX11 GPU then? And you can hardly call a GTX580 a new generation, it's a tweaked GTX480, just the same way a tweaked RV770 became a 4890, not a 5870.

I feel like I'm getting trolled.
 
Advanced and generation aren't the same thing, it shocks me you can't distinguish this.

Sure they are both the 1st Generation DX11 hardware from the respective companies but you just told me we can't compare against different companies??? in terms of technical capabilities which is what matters Fermi is a generation ahead... sure nVidia could throw a "GTX680" out the door tomorrow with some minor tweaks over the GTX580 and we could call it 3rd generation but no one would give a ****.
 
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