Winter/Cold weather tyre - What do people recommend?

Uniroyal don't have a tyre designed for winter. They class all of their tyres as wet climate summer tyres so in that respect will still suffer with the the rubber hardening and increased loss of traction as the weather gets colder.

The thing I find amazing is the process by which the rubber on a 'summer' tyre hardens to exactly the same level as all the other summer tyres irrelevent of its base 'softness'. Because thats what all the winter tyre adverts us - as soon as it gets below 7c, all summer tyres suddenly become the same.

So a super soft summer tyre suddenly becomes exactly the same hardness as a Wan Li or a Michelin Energy summer tyre. True story, that.
 
[TW]Fox;17764562 said:
The thing I find amazing is the process by which the rubber on a 'summer' tyre hardens to exactly the same level as all the other summer tyres irrelevent of its base 'softness'. Because thats what all the winter tyre adverts us - as soon as it gets below 7c, all summer tyres suddenly become the same.

So a super soft summer tyre suddenly becomes exactly the same hardness as a Wan Li or a Michelin Energy summer tyre. True story, that.

I think it's due to the way most summer tyres are manufactured from a synthetic rubber derived somehow from a crude base product. Winter tyres from what have read use a natural rubber which is better at lower temps but not so good at higher summer ones. Obviously different blends for different applications.
 
Well, I've decided that after the horrible feeling of driving on new summer tyres fitted just before we got the real winter - this year i'm going to try and get a set of steel wheels fitted with proper winter tyres, just in case.
I I have the FK452s on... they've served me quite well in the wet/dry, but I KNOW they are utter crap in snow/ice. They're no longer new, and getting towards the end of their life, really, maybe only 3k left in them before they'll need replacing.

Anyway - what's the best way of getting hold of some steel wheels and winter tyres?
They're to fit on an '08 Focus... Think the current wheels/tyres are 205/55/R16, but I can never remember offhand.

Can I put pretty much any steel wheel affair on, provided the stud patterns match up of course... I've not had a car with steel wheels since... a long time ago.
 
[TW]Fox;17767948 said:
It will be so amusing if we don't get snow chaos on low ground again.
WINTER TYRES ARE BETTER IN COLD WEATHER TOO.

Anyway, the initial outlay is hardly that much when you consider they'll last for 2 winters under average mileage.
 
WINTER TYRES ARE BETTER IN COLD WEATHER TOO.

YES I KNOW WHEN THE MAGIC TYRE FAIRIES MAKE ALL THE SUMMER ONES THE SAME

I know this because a chart showing 'A summer tyre' told me!!!

It's like a sudden new religion in this country. Other than Dandle who gets free tyres nobody gave a stuff in 2007, or 2006, or 2004, or 2003, or... etc. We all managed perfectly fine in the typical wet cold but not really very snowy British winter. Decent tyres dont suddenly stop working because its cold. Sure, efficiency will reduce. Absolutely. But nobody ever bothers to quantify that, do they? If braking efficiency is lets say 100% of the tyres performance at 20c who is to say it isnt 94% at 2c? People here argued going down to 87% and having a Kumho was fine..
 
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Let it go.
If someone wants to fit winter tyres, let them get advice from those who have experience.
You don't have to try and talk them out of it every single time.

FWIW, Belgium has effectively the same climate as most of the UK, rarely seeing snow apart from a few weeks a year at most.
Now, most lease companies advise you to stick on a set of winter tyres in winter. Why would this be?
Perhaps it's so that they can screw you out of more money, perhaps it's because they want less of their cars being damaged.
Our lease cars have winter tyres included in the contract, as I'm sure it is for most of the deals.
 
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I find it amazing that anybody cares about this subject in England. Even with the freak winter we had less than a single handful of days where i didnt feel safe driving my really heavy automatic rwd wide tyred car.

I dont get it at all. Its a totally pointless subject, its spending for spendings sake.

The reality is that very very few people do care i guess, i doubt i could name a single person i'd speak to IRL who would give anything more than a "what are they?" if i asked them about fitting winter tyres to their car.
 
The problem is in some respects it's probably worse. I can see people dumping perfectly good performance tyres and rushing off to Ebay and buying some Nangkang Super Ice Tornado Winter Awesomeness and in reality REDUCING the level of performance they get in a typical British winter.

Why was this not even on anyones radar 5 years ago?

It's this ridiculous notion that apparently as soon as its under 7c outside, all the summer tyres suddenly have exactly the performance, that I just find bizarre.

There is a HUGE amount of difference between the performance offered by different summer tyres even in summer. Is it therefore not beyond the realms of possibility that the same applies when its merely cold and wet/dry? Nobody ever seems to consider this - we just get crap graphs showing how Super Uber WinterContact is better than 'A Summer Tyre'. Great.

But then a Pilot Sport PS3 is better than your average summer tyre as well. Just how hard do really rather soft tyres go? I wish they'd go hard enough for them to last a bit longer :p

We've all driven cars for years and I bet none of us have ANY traction or braking issues in the winter that they dont have in the summer that isn't directly attributable to either leaves on the road, ice or snow.

It was 1c on the way to work a couple of weeks back and with this argument in mind I tried to light the rear tyres up or trigger the ABS a few times and you know what? My crappy death trap Summer tyres performed just as I'd normally expect them to! And this was near 1c! I bet the road temperature was even less given I'd had to scrape my car from an icy tomb first.

Why was that?

Do you know what I think the benefit of a winter tyre is? They offer 'average' performance in the snow (Where a snow tyre would offer 'good') but also offer 'good' performance when it isnt snowing (Where a snow tyre would be 'poor'). Compare this to a summer tyre which offers 'very poor' performance in the snow but 'good' performance when it isnt snowing and you can see how in places where there is regular snowfall, a winter tyre is a good idea as you don't compromise your grip levels when it isn't snowing. Then the marketing teams had a lightbulb moment and realised they could massively expand the market for these tyres if suddenly they were infact super awesome all winter and everything else sucked..

And given that nobody has any data they can use to disagree with the notion that once below 7c, you die on a summer tyre, it is quickly becoming the new religion and those of us who think 'hang on a minute' should be burned at the stake.

Wicksta is somebody whose opinion I trust. He's even spent numerous years living in Germany where they DO get snow and they DO fit winter tyres. He finds this whole thing as perplexing as I do and was telling me how the Germans are desperate to get the winter tyres OFF at the first sign the snow has gone....
 
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[TW]Fox;17768170 said:
Why was this not even on anyones radar 5 years ago?

TBH i think this is only the case in very few incidents over internet forums. Could you name anybody IRL who would even have heard of the phrase winter tyres? I dont think i could.

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It was 1c on the way to work a couple of weeks back and with this argument in mind I tried to light the rear tyres up or trigger the ABS a few times and you know what? My crappy death trap Summer tyres performed just as I'd normally expect them to! And this was near 1c! I bet the road temperature was even less given I'd had to scrape my car from an icy tomb first.

Why was that?

I dont think it cracked 2C yesterday morning throughout my entire 50 mile cross country commute to the office. My car was...exactly the same as it always is, no TC lights at all, nothing :confused:
 
I dont think it cracked 2C yesterday morning throughout my entire 50 mile cross country commute to the office. My car was...exactly the same as it always is, no TC lights at all, nothing :confused:

Same here when the other day my OBC said '3C warning' I continued to drive about quite happily without sliding about, crashing or losing traction and I hardly adjusted my driving style.

I have Summer tyres on my car (Eagle F1 GSD3 - certainly not winter ones anyway) and can't see the point at all in buying winter tyres in this country. 99.999r% of people in England have driven for years through winters never having heard of them without dying, so why should we suddenly need them now? :confused:
 
I think if I lived in a place whi h had a higher chance os snow, or down county lanes that didn't get any, grit I would be inclined to fit winter Tyres. However yesterday on way to work was 0C but today was 10C, I think our climate is too varied for winter tyres.
 
I honestly can't see the point either in all honesty. Fair enough if you do a lot of miles you want something that suitable, but you'll still have to change your driving style in relation to the conditions no matter what tyre you're using. Winter tyres wont save you if you're driving like a ****.

I always laugh when people say that their summer tyres perform awful in the wet... That'll be because you should be driving more carefully!
 
I find it amazing that anybody cares about this subject in England. Even with the freak winter we had less than a single handful of days where i didnt feel safe driving my really heavy automatic rwd wide tyred car.

Thats only going to help
 
[TW]Fox;17767948 said:
It will be so amusing if we don't get snow chaos on low ground again.

Will it be miserable if it does?

Not sure why you care so much tbh, you've made your opinion perfectly clear.
 
[TW]Fox;17764562 said:
The thing I find amazing is the process by which the rubber on a 'summer' tyre hardens to exactly the same level as all the other summer tyres irrelevent of its base 'softness'. Because thats what all the winter tyre adverts us - as soon as it gets below 7c, all summer tyres suddenly become the same.

So a super soft summer tyre suddenly becomes exactly the same hardness as a Wan Li or a Michelin Energy summer tyre. True story, that.

Not strictly true. Many of the extreme super grippy trackday tyres stop working when the temperature drops too low as they can't get warm enough to start generating grip which warms them further. There is many a track review in Evo of Caterhams, Radicals etc where it proved impossible to get a representative time due to complete lack of grip.
 
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