Do you recognise these student rioters?

rypt said:
NO foreign issue (save your country being at war) should ever take priority over a domestic issue.

He could have round tripped it and not spent the day chatting to Chinese students.
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rypt, what could he have said that he hasn't said countless times before? There just isn't any point. If he was here you'd think that would stop the people trashing the building and committing numerous crimes?
No doubt you would have come on today moaning that he spent so much money flying back to Britain and then back to Korea to have a quick chat and would have a moan that he's claiming expenses on having to stay over here whilst he awaiting another flight back.

Also, it wasn't a domestic issue. It was a few students having a moan about something they don't understand.
 
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OMG I think I recognize him!
 
rypt said:
I have a sneaky suspicion that our police once again demonstrated just how incompetent they really are at any major operation.
The last time they did something properly was the anti-globalisation protest, and even then there was plenty of damage.
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I don't think police is incompetent in this regards. It's more of a case of their hands tied behind their back. They can only operate within defined police procedures.
Ofcourse if such protest took place in china, saudi arabia or egypt, I can only imagine what the consequences will be:eek:.

One thing I do feel is that british police is very soft compared to the rest of the world's police.
 
rypt said:
I have a sneaky suspicion that our police once again demonstrated just how incompetent they really are at any major operation.
The last time they did something properly was the anti-globalisation protest, and even then there was plenty of damage.
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Don't lay the blame with the Police, they are all to easily pilloried in situations like this, to confrontational, to laid back etc etc.
 
WingZero30 said:
I don't think police is incompetent in this regards. It's more of a case of their hands tied behind their back. They can only operate within defined police procedures.
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They did not have adequate man power to prevent the violence, they did not have potential targets (Tory or LD HQs) barricaded (either fences or arm in arm riot police)


OldCoals said:
Don't lay the blame with the Police, they are all to easily pilloried in situations like this, to confrontational, to laid back etc etc.
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I never said police should STRIKE first, they should only ever "reply" (ie no use of tear gas or water cannons until trouble starts), BUT the police did fail in having a man or real fence around this building or even preventing people getting there in the first place.
 
rypt said:
I dunno, I dare Cameron to have it calculated using his new method for fees how much his education should have cost and then pay that money to the government "you know, lead by example".
Equally, he needs to cut the silly expenses system far more
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The thing is Rypt it doesnt matter to him they don't allow poor people into The Bulligdon Club old chap.
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Its just stupid really, as mentioned, I doubt that many of the people that are worth having at university will have been causing the damage. Actually I take that back, anyone with at least a rudimentary understanding of english and maths can get into "some" university.

If people were not so obsessed with the headline and more with the rationale then maybe we would not have these issues.

Policies that are unfair should be opposed as long as there is no really good reason for their passing. On the other hand, it doesn't matter why we are in this situation with a ****** university system, we have to deal with it.

What will happen 10 years from now if we just keep fees the same. Congratulations guys, everyone is still going to university, well done!

Oh sorry, we have less money than ever because our universities standards have dropped so much in international opinion that one of the massive streams of revenue for them is gone but we are ok because 40% of the population has a degree.

Whats that? Our standard of graduates has dropped even further due to underfunding for good universities with worthwhile degrees. Its ok though because everyone knows that its not what degree and the quality of it thats important, its just enough to have a degree.
 
Thesaff said:
The thing is Rypt it doesnt matter to him they don't allow poor people into The Bulligdon Club old chap.
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Nothing about being poor or rich, I'm not opposed to the levels of the new fees per-se (unlike you and also all the lefty students), I'm opposed to people who had it different making new rules and also opposed to the government getting increased tax intake due to graduates having better jobs without putting in the investment themselves anymore.
 
It's proving very hard for me to shift my raffle tickets for the Conservative Christmas Draw. Wish I had went to Oxbridge and not a polytech. :(
 
Thesaff said:
The thing is Rypt it doesnt matter to him they don't allow poor people into The Bulligdon Club old chap.
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I agree. Judging by their faces, there seems to be an air of arrogance and snobbery about them. It seems they are very much care free and I doubt if they ever interacted with workingclass/immigrants students back in their days.
 
fez said:
Whats that? Our standard of graduates has dropped even further due to underfunding for good universities with worthwhile degrees. Its ok though because everyone knows that its not what degree and the quality of it thats important, its just enough to have a degree.
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So why not fully fund good degrees at good unis (and even better only fully fund anyone who gets 2:1 or above), and instead drop the whole "get as many people as possible into uni"

The Tories are doing the fee rises due to them seeing it as less of a political suicide than taking on the left properly and change the WHOLE system.
 
most of them just do this stuff to swear at coppers in the safety of a big crowd, not because they actually have a valid point to prove, all while 100 photographers beg them to smash windows so they can take a photo of it for the newspapers
 
WingZero30 said:
I agree. Judging by their faces, there seems to be an air of arrogance and snobbery about them. It seems they are very much care free and I doubt if they ever interacted with workingclass/immigrants students back in their days.
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Do you not recognise any of them? :p
 
rypt said:
Nothing about being poor or rich, I'm not opposed to the levels of the new fees per-se (unlike you and also all the lefty students), I'm opposed to people who had it different making new rules and also opposed to the government getting increased tax intake due to graduates having better jobs without putting in the investment themselves anymore.
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Rypt where do i say that im opposed to the level of the fees, maybe you should go back over my replies in the University Fees thread.
I can understand your frustation, it seems at every turn the perks of the previous generation are taken from you. But your only recourse is the either the ballot box or protest. Here is a simple suggestion why dont you write to your MP telling them that if they dont vote down or protest loudly at this move you and the other students will be voting them out of office, how many students on your campuses?
 
rypt said:
Nothing about being poor or rich, I'm not opposed to the levels of the new fees per-se (unlike you and also all the lefty students), I'm opposed to people who had it different making new rules and also opposed to the government getting increased tax intake due to graduates having better jobs without putting in the investment themselves anymore.
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So you basically want the entire political system to only be run by people that have been through the policies they are currently trying to implement. Thats going to be tricky.

You have just answered your own issue at the end as well. If everyone, or even 70% of people that went to university contributed more to taxes over their lifetime than if they had not asked the government to foot their university bill then that would be fine.

We are in this mess with university funding for just that reason. Too many people doing **** degrees at **** universities and never actually using that degree to benefit the economy.

I really wish that people who rage against the fee rise had to justify their views rather than just voicing them. The last generation didnt have this is not an argument. (p.s. This isnt aimed at rypt)

Look at how much international students pay compared to even the 9k the government will charge. They still come over because they know the value of a good education.

Its a loan that will cover this so as long as everyone has the ability to borrow the money for university I have no problem charging £15k a year. What is £50k over a lifetime of work if you are earning good money. Might make you think twice if you are doing a silly degree or won't work hard.
 
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