Good News For The British IT Industry
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In my experience the overseas IT centres are completely useless. You might as well have a completely untrained person reading from a script. If they're literally just concerned with cheap labour I'm sure there's loads of unemployed people that would be willing to read from a script for slighly better then minimum wage.
This is just another fine example of the EU poking its nose where it's not wanted. It was never supposed to be like this.
This is just another fine example of the EU poking its nose where it's not wanted. It was never supposed to be like this.
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Well they wont be getting a job at the company I work for. Redunancy ahoy!
Shh - topshot didn't you know Labour didnt create this mess, its only in the past 6 months everythings gone to hellI love anti-Tories, anything is "oh the Tories..".
I know, the way people carry on you would think they have been in power for the last 10 years
Well the government can't complain, not after it explicitly excluded intra-company transfers from the migration cap (which AFAIK will include these immigrants since the UK controls our borders not the EU).
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More situations where we can say "SEND THEM BACK!!! 
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Good times.
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You could say these are tax payers to help with our deficit. If we can't get our own people to work and pay tax, I guess we'll have to get indians to do it. Stupid chavs.
And how much of that money gets sent back to India never to find its way into the British economy.
We get the tax and the NIC.
If the jobs were in India, the companies wouldn't be paying those wages in the UK anyway.
Firstly there aren't many chavs working in the software development industry. There are plenty of unemployed software developers who are willing to work, just not for a non-living wage. Indian IT workers brought in on intra-company transfer visas do not pay UK tax, they remain employed by the Indian arm of the firm and pay whatever tax is due on that in India. The minimum salary of an intra-company transfer employee is £25k, so I'm not sure where talk of minimum wage comes into it.
The only reason that these are getting a look in is more than likely because the talent is not available here.
There are only a limited number of decent computer science graduates coming out of university each year - not nearly enough to meet demand. This is why there is a massive disparity in pay between the best comp sci grads and the average/mediocre ones. Whether that's the fault of the graduates themselves, the courses, or the universities is another debate.
Just as an aside, somewhere in the region of half of the silicon valley tech start ups is/was founded or co-founded by an Indian.
There are only a limited number of decent computer science graduates coming out of university each year - not nearly enough to meet demand. This is why there is a massive disparity in pay between the best comp sci grads and the average/mediocre ones. Whether that's the fault of the graduates themselves, the courses, or the universities is another debate.
Just as an aside, somewhere in the region of half of the silicon valley tech start ups is/was founded or co-founded by an Indian.
There's plenty of talent here that could do the £25k a year jobs that Indians are being brought over to do. I'd support the intra-company transfer scheme if the salary cap was higher, say £50k a year as Migrationwatch UK have suggested. That way we could ensure we do get the talented folk from India working in the UK. As it is it's very hit and miss - I've personally worked with some very good people from India, and some very bad people - likewise for homegrown software developers.
That's why when our company opened graduate recruitment for the first time in two years this year we got 200 applicants for each position. The funny thing is, we got two UK CompSci grads working on my project - one from a Russell Group uni and one from less auspicious uni. The Russell Group chap was hopeless and we got rid of him before his 6 months was up. The other guy is absolutely brilliant yet no doubt many here wouldn't regard him as a "decent" graduate purely because of which university he went to.
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Maybe I am just being ridiculous here but has anyone ever had a good experience with an Indian call centre?
They are absolutely ******* ****.
I don't speak with a strong accent, I make myself as clear as possible and there's always trouble.
Explain things time and time again, only to be left still saying, "no, that is NOT the issue" or "I've already given you the results of this, skip to your next card please..."
It's a night and day difference with Dell.
Standard Indian call centres = Pain & headaches.
Pro Support UK/Irish centre = Joy. All problems solved.
Fully aware that'll I'll be seen as an ass because I don't have patience, and don't support Indian call centres but... Honestly, they are rubbish.
Edit: Out of interest, 17% unemployment rate for Computing graduates? How does this compare to other sectors?
They are absolutely ******* ****.
I don't speak with a strong accent, I make myself as clear as possible and there's always trouble.
Explain things time and time again, only to be left still saying, "no, that is NOT the issue" or "I've already given you the results of this, skip to your next card please..."
It's a night and day difference with Dell.
Standard Indian call centres = Pain & headaches.
Pro Support UK/Irish centre = Joy. All problems solved.
Fully aware that'll I'll be seen as an ass because I don't have patience, and don't support Indian call centres but... Honestly, they are rubbish.
Edit: Out of interest, 17% unemployment rate for Computing graduates? How does this compare to other sectors?
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Sauce? I'm paid less than that and my employer are *still* looking to offshore most of us to the Indian arm of the company. Bit of a kick in the teeth if that's some legislative set in stone figure...
So out of 200 applicants you found 1 that was half decent? Doesn't that back up what I said.
As an employer, I don't care what university some one is from as long as they can do the job they're employed to do, and shows an aptitude to learn new things.
Note, the £25k figure is for intra-company transfers i.e. bringing someone who works for the Indian arm of your employer over to work in the UK. There's nothing similar for moving jobs abroad (off-shoring) unfortunately.
In actual fact the salary of the employee will be significantly less than £25k anyway - what the company will typically do is provide accommodation for the employee in the UK and a number of flights back to India and say that is all part of their remuneration deal, which pushes them over the £25k a year threshold. I heard the average actual salary of an Indian software developer on an intra-company transfer is £16k a year but don't quote me on that (which co-incidentally would be the salary for an average Indian software developer - so much for the talent argument).
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So out of 200 applicants you found 1 that was half decent? Doesn't that back up what I said.
Err no, out of two employees we found one good one - 50% success rate
. I can't comment on the quality of applicants as I wasn't involved in the recruitment process.Glad to hear it, but I fear the prevailing trend is for Russell Group graduates for a lot of Computer Science graduate schemes these days. If you're getting 200 applicants for every job, you've got to quickly discard a lot of applicants and unfortunately which university you went to is an easy way of doing that.
With the economy falling through the floor and so many out of worked (even skilled people) they are doing this? What utter madness.
What I want to know is.. how exactly are India negotiating this? Is it something like (you won't get cheap crap unless you give us work permits? - I heard of China pulling something similar with technology negotiations).
What I want to know is.. how exactly are India negotiating this? Is it something like (you won't get cheap crap unless you give us work permits? - I heard of China pulling something similar with technology negotiations).