Then eating beef isn't a good idea because of BSE, it's not a "100% you're going to get this if you eat people" it's a pretty rare condition even amongst Cannibals.
Is Vegetarianism logically inconsistent?
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Then eating beef isn't a good idea because of BSE, it's not a "100% you're going to get this if you eat people" it's a pretty rare condition even amongst Cannibals.
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Again I'll make the same point as you claimed it wasn't addressed.
What have not thinking you are better than something, and eating it, got to do with each other?
As said, firstly, I'm a vege, and secondly I think by any comparison we are "better" than animals, we're more inteligent, have done more, are more capable, etc, etc.
I feel I am better than animals, yet that has zero bearing on my choice not to eat them.
I also think I'm better than your average chav, retard, Irish person, etc, and again, this has no bearing on my decision to not eat other humans.
Your argument is YOUR reason for not eating animals is you don't feel you are better than animals. Thats good for you, thats not the be all and end all of logical thinking.
Do you really feel theres no animal, or no other human being you are better than. Are you better than a peadophile, are you better than a dingo that stole the baby, and killed it, if you decided you were, as you've linked feel better than to being able to eat it, does that mean you'd eat the dingo or a peado?
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Really, you don't treat any animal with lesser importance than your family, or friends, or child(if you have one), or pets, you would treat a cow the same as your family pet? And this is the reason you won't eat animals.
For me, the vegetarian who simply chooses not to eat meat as I have the choice, due to humans position of being able to farm more than enough healthy food of non animal source. I personally think its the moral choice, I can eat meat, or not, if I eat meat, animals will be killed to satisfy my hunger/taste buds, if I don't eat meat, no animals are killed just for my consumption. People(most people) don't eat meat to survive, if that was the discussion, I'd eat meat if there wasn't an alternative. In the UK at the very least, being vegetarian is easy, the food is freely available, with plenty of variety, the only reason I have to choose to eat meat, and have more animals killed, is because I prefer the taste.
Your choice seems completely illogical to me, infact I can't even believe it, I can't for a second believe you don't subordinate anyone or anything, therefore your argument is false, and I don't believe you can link the WISH to not subordinate, to the decision to not eat meat.
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I thought it was to do with the brain dying as it happens which stops them from feeling pain. I do think people go too far with this though, you're talking about killing the animal, ending its life. To kill something isn't exactly humane.
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A certain Futurama quote feels somewhat poignant here:
"What if the secret ingredient.. is.. people!"
"No, there's already a drink like that: Soylent Cola,"
"Is it any good?"
"Meh, it varies from person to person..."
"What if the secret ingredient.. is.. people!"
"No, there's already a drink like that: Soylent Cola,"
"Is it any good?"
"Meh, it varies from person to person..."
They didn't say it was healthier, they said adequate. For some one calling others trolls, you're not doing a great job of not looking like a troll yourself.
I attempted to become a vegetarian not so long ago but unfortunately gave in to the cravings. Just like yourself I questioned the merits behind being a vegetarian because as you say they still eat dairy products and eggs and fish, this to me just defeats the object of being a vegetarian and contradics itself really doesnt it? My attitude now is you are either a vegan like yourself 'Lupine Lacuna you have my upmost respect' or you are an omnivore! Therefore I think all you vegiterians are complete bull ****ers.
Vegetarians who eat fish are idiots, and most of them I know of do eat fish, so actually aren't vegetarians, proving your last line.
The difference between cannibalism and eating other animals is that prion diseases (and others) transmit to other members of the same species very easily as Kuru demonstrates, vs the 170 deaths caused by vCJD. BSE is a perfect example of this because it was spread by cannibalism, ie meat and bone meal.
Has that ever been conclusively linked to bse though?
In the same way that cancer has been linked to radiation, you can't prove the origin of an individual infection, but you can see what happens in lab animals and look at the environmental statistics.
It's been well known for a long time that eating infected tissue can result in the cross species transmission of prion diseases, and considering the fact that members of the same families came down with the disease makes the chances of it not being BSE virtually negligible.
It's safe to assume that when eating meat there is always a risk of contracting a prion disease.
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Hardly trolling judging by my past record and that fact that I have expressed my opinions in a fair manner in the posts i have left in this thread.
However I do suggest you read the post of the guy I quoted before telling me something wasn't said that clearly was.
Infact to save you the effort of looking yourself, here is the post
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=17773261&postcount=159
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B12. There are no vegetable sources usable by humans. Meat, dairy, dung or supplement (made in a lab/factory from bacteria). Those are your choices.
As long as you have access to a broad range of plant food, know what you need and which plants have how much of it all and tailor your diet to meet that, you can get the right amounts of everything else you need from plants. But not B12. A lacto-ovo vegetarian can get enough B12 pretty easily - you need very little and there's a fair bit in eggs and milk. But a full vegetarian (or a vegan) really, really should take B12 supplements.
In case anyone is thinking that this makes me wrong about B12, the answer is dung. Used as fertiliser and in many places also contaminating the water supply. Yummy dung for your daily requirement of B12. So yes, there are people on a purely vegetarian diet without supplements who get enough B12. From poo.
Animals are used as property, which pretty much makes them property now anyway.
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At what point in the programme do you refer so that we don't have to watch the whole half an hour to get your point?
Ignoring numerous studies that show a high fat, high protein and low carb diet (something that's near impossible as a vege) help lower LDL cholesterol and reduce blood pressure, amongst other things?
The whole vegetarian being healthier thing comes from most being more knowedgable about what they're eating, rather than their diet actually being healthier because it lacks meat.
If everyone took notice of what they were putting into themselves a 'normal' diet would be more healthy than a vegetarian one.
The 5 a day rule is ********, to put it bluntly
So is the idea of grains being our main source of energy.Quite
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Honestly though, there isn't much worse in this life than some fanboy or girl whining on about how their chosen diet/game/computer/faith/politics are better then yours.
Tolerance is sadly lacking, always has been and I fear it always will be
Tolerance is sadly lacking, always has been and I fear it always will be