Why do bikers..

Some vehicles driven by idiots shocker.

Guess what, not everyone who rides a bike / drives a car / drives a bus / rides a bicycle is an idiot. People just think they are because they only notice the idiots.

Justintime said:
Filtering through stopped/slow traffic at 30-40mph can't be safe yet some do it every day and rev their engines to intimidate anyone who dare block their way, they also come up from a mile away and get angry that someone decided to change lane and block their path, never mind they weren't even a speck in the mirror before that car driver decided to change lane.. this Friday i saw one biker launch at the lights in wet wet conditions and end up going a different direction from his bike when it went sideways, luckily he got up and was ok but the sheer dumbness of it amazed me.
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Just because a manoeuvre looks unsafe to you, doesn't make it unsafe. And I imagine they get angry because drivers who pull into their path without looking tend to make life very dangerous.

There are types of riders out there with a death wish, but they're in the small minority. And actually, through my experience commuting to London on a bike every day, the majority of car drivers I encounter are friendly and courteous. It's always a small minority that spoils it for the rest of us.
 
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Justintime said:
Filtering through stopped/slow traffic at 30-40mph can't be safe yet some do it every day and rev their engines to intimidate anyone who dare block their way, they also come up from a mile away and get angry that someone decided to change lane and block their path, never mind they weren't even a speck in the mirror before that car driver decided to change lane.. this Friday i saw one biker launch at the lights in wet wet conditions and end up going a different direction from his bike when it went sideways, luckily he got up and was ok but the sheer dumbness of it amazed me.
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complete ******** on the revving the engine thing, we keep the revs high so people can HEAR us... therefore they know we are there and aren't going to do the usual cager thing and swap lanes without indicating or using those things that let you see behind you... mirrors i believe they are called...

We bikers see a lot more than people in cages, i ride/drive both, the amount of concentration involved in riding a bike is far far higher than a car, when filtering through slightly moving traffic it can actually give me a headache as you have to keep checking people's heads, mirrors, doors, wheel position etc...

When we go for a spirited ride... we enjoy ourselves, as for running red lights... who are you kidding? car drivers do it all the time on my commute and i've never once seen a bike do it.

Stop bitching about it.
 
Filtering is perfectly safe and legal. Get over the fact that we don't have to queue. You can be smug when it rains instead!

And most bikers also drive and some of us also cycle so what does that say?

There are plenty of idiot 'people' about though. Some on 2 wheels and some on 4
 
Mr-White said:
ride like they have nothing to live for ?

I've been commuting into North London for the last few weeks and the stuff I've seen bikers do has really amazed me.
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The stuff I see car drivers do amazes me every time I drive or ride.

Tute said:
And that's no exaggeration. I'm still waiting to overtake a bike on the A38. I've done tens of thousands of miles on that road.
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You must drive quite slowly, I use part of the A38 every week day on either a bike and a car, and very rarely get overtaken by bikes when in my car. It's quite tiring keeping up a sustained high speed on most bikes, I rarely see them doing more than 80mph or so.
 
most car drivers are just bitter because we filter through traffic whilst they are stuck there p'eed of because they are late for work.

There are people in cars who embrace us bikers and those which don't. Basically its the short man syndrome of the car world. When filtering down the centre of blocked traffic most cars look in there mirrors and make more room for you. When i go past these I say thanks. Then there are the ones which make less room. These are the short man syndrome drivers. They are bitter as hell because they are stuck in traffic and we are not.

I never go above 15mph when filtering, its not safe to do so. I do not dispute there are many tool bikers out there, but no more than there are car drivers.

you take 100 people with bikes and 100 people with cars and I bet you get as many idiots in both parties.
 
Wow, I'm just amazed by some of the comments on here! It's clear that some of the car only drivers have absolutely no idea what it's like to ride a bike. I'd bet any money that if you had to pass a bike test before you could get your car license, the standard of driving (and particularly observation) would be 10x better.

If you want to become a much, much better car driver, do your DAS and maybe then you'll understand just why bikers have to rev their engine when filtering (it's so blind car drivers car *hear* us because many simply don't *see* us!)
 
Sagalout said:
Filtering is perfectly safe and legal. Get over the fact that we don't have to queue. You can be smug when it rains instead!
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Makes me cringe when a biker does that though!

I know you don't have to queue but over 50% of the bikers who pass me in this way I didn't see coming, due to them either being in the blind spot or coming from nowhere.

I personally don't care for the bikers, but what I don't want is to have to live with knowing I hit one and killed them.
 
Dogbreath said:
Sorry but that is an absolutely classic car driver comment. Other vehicles don't come from 'nowhere', it simply means your observations are inadequate.
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Why would I be looking in mirrors every 5-10 seconds when I am stood still in traffic? If I am not moving then there is nothing I can crash into.
As others have mentioned, I am in a cage and dangerous moves by bikers result in their own legs getting ripped off, not mine.
Driving 5 years without a crash doesn't describe my driving observations as inadequate.
 
Kenai said:
How is that related to anyone elses safety, that's just not being an idiot? :confused:
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True that actually sounds like a smart move reading that back but if you saw the way he did it though then you'd realise what I meant. It was more dangerous and idiotic than smart, he was just in a serious hurry and didn't care who got in his way and how he got passed them.

Dogbreath said:
Sorry but that is an absolutely classic car driver comment. Other vehicles don't come from 'nowhere', it simply means your observations are inadequate.
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All road vehicles can come from nowhere but it happens regularly with bikes as cars would suddenly appear and then either overtake to the right or stay in your rear mirror. Bikes weave from between vehicles, from behind traffic and change lanes and don't always overtake on the right. They also tend to be moving more quickly giving the driver even less time to notice them.

MW
 
London does have some of the worst offenders for reckless bike driving, but it also has some of the worst and most reckless car drivers.

Filtering and so on looks much more dangerous from your point of view because one second you're completely unawares, then the next thing you know some noisy bike appears out of nowhere (lol) and makes you jump.

The biker, however, will be watching everything around him very intently and (for the most part) will have decided the maneuvre was safe before performing it.

Bikers aren't perfect but the real looneys are a minority that unfortunately stick out like a sore thumb and get us all noticed much more than the normal, sane bikers. Which most of us are.

Also couriers are insane, we're not all like them!
 
Why do some bikers insist on calling car drivers 'cagers'? Some posters in this thread have made valid points but I just cant take them seriously using such retarded terms.
 
mglover070588 said:
Why would I be looking in mirrors every 5-10 seconds when I am stood still in traffic? If I am not moving then there is nothing I can crash into.
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Yeah, why would you look every 5 to 10 seconds in stationary traffic? You wouldn't of course. But before moving off, aren't you meant to check your mirrors and blind spots? Wouldn't matter where they were then, you'd see them and act accordingly.
 
Its just slang.
As such 'bikers' is slang for a motorcyclist. (or motorbiker, pick your poison.)

The Anti-biking brigade still have a firm presence I see.
I honestly beleive that cagers (hurrr) should do DAS and ride a bike for a while if only to see things from our point of view.
What is unsafe to you is safe to us.

Although, I cannot deny that the ratio of idiots to good drivers on bikes is higher than it is with cars.
 
Reppyboyo said:
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What is unsafe to you is safe to us.
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key point there, people may look at a manouvre done by a bike and think 'OMG deathwish!' when in reality its perfectly safe to do so.

The massive amount of acceleration available on a bike is also alien to most car drivers
 
Defcon5 said:
The massive amount of acceleration available on a bike is also alien to most car drivers
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That's kinda the problem, even if you're checking your mirrors regularly you can still quite easily miss a bike from the split second of checking your mirror to the few splits seconds following that you signal and maneuver

MW
 
I have no issues with bikers, or seeing them.

I am observant enough that I will move to the left of my lane if I see a biker filtering in or overtaking my slow lane of traffic.

I grew up around family who rode bikes so know better. "Why would I be observant in traffic?" is a weak excuse, same reason a pedestrian or other obstacle, emergency services vehicle etc MIGHT come out of "nowhere".
 
i feel sorry for bikers. more than half of them drive like they have nothing to live for and the car drivers tend to drive as if theyre on ket. theyre as bad as each other and its only gonna end up one way
 
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