Does anyone use UAC?

As we can see we have a clear divide of people that have it on or off. So for the people that have it on, what are the main reasons for this as a lot of people that have turned it have stated why.

And you cannot just use the 'extra protection' bull.
 
Precisely the opposite in my experience.

People that turn it off are advanced users and know what they're doing.

People that leave it on are usually basic users who will easily get suckered into installing an anti-virus recommended by a pop-up. They'll just allow everything and end up infected regardless.

But of course all that that does is make me question your experience and/or knowledge on the matter of Windows security...

You know every developer at Microsoft runs with UAC? Because they know that, even for them, it has major security benefits.

Nobody in this thread is an "advanced" user. Not from what I've seen. It's the pretty typical OcUK demographic of "I can build a PC and even overclock it therefore I'm an expert and know more than Microsoft's kernel and security teams combined."
 
But of course all that that does is make me question your experience and/or knowledge on the matter of Windows security...

So you are saying that if you are a experience user or a novice, you should/shoudn't have it on. So in other words there is no right or wrong answer for this debate?

Like anything that is critical to your system you have the option to turn it off or on, from anti virus to UAC, and it user preference in the end, AND this way you can please everyone as it is fully customizable.
 
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Precisely the opposite in my experience.

People that turn it off are advanced users and know what they're doing.

People that leave it on are usually basic users who will easily get suckered into installing an anti-virus recommended by a pop-up. They'll just allow everything and end up infected regardless.

UAC won't protect someone with no common sense. However, Common sense will protect someone, even without UAC.

Hahahahahahahahahahhhahhahahahahahhahahahhahahahhahaha.

Sorry, that's as productive as I'm going to be :).
 
Indeed :D
I've been running 4 years without UAC.. Imagine all the "sighs" I've avoided with every potential UAC prompt. Millions probably.
I took my chances and I've never had a problem :)

The minutes you've saved would give plenty of time to acquire a mac if required.

My UAC is on, and I rarely seen any prompt.
 
Turn it off.

See no reason for it to be on, the popups can be annoying and DO happen when doing trivial stuff like installing new programs, running programs that want to modify something, etc. Plus it lets everything run as administrator which is easier than doing it manually.

Those tasks aren't really trivial though, installing programs usually means writing to system areas, as do programs that modify system areas obviously, all the UAC prompt is doing is making sure you're aware of that and are happy to allow it.

Imagine one day you're browsing a web page, or run a program that shouldn't need system access and you get a UAC prompt, it would make you think about what's happening and investigate more.

Not to mention the end goal is that you don't want to be running everything as administrator as it's insecure, you only want the programs that need to run administrative tasks running as administrator.
 
I'm amazed that clicking the UAC prompts is such an annoyance to some. I leave my UAC on - in fact it's set to most strict setting there is :p

An NathanE said, I'm not really an advanced user either, despite having used Windows since 3.11. I have no idea what goes on under the bonnet. MS recommend using UAC; I have no real reason not to, so I leave it be :p

Whoever said "a little knowledge is a dangerous thing" was bang on the money. It's a trap we all fall into. Normally it takes a rude awakening or two before we realise how little we really know.
 
Eh? So you've turned off UAC to reduce prompts... but then install Comodo and NOD32 security suites. So you're back at square one? Actually that's worse than square one. I can't think of anything worse.

Firstly, I have disabled the defense + security level so I don't get a million pop ups for just trying to open the task manager, so I don't get any pop ups apart from the odd ones for games trying to connect to the internet, devices trying to connect to my PC etc.

Also Nod 32 antivirus (not the smart security) doesn't have any pop ups at all (unless there is a setting or something which you need to enable, but I am pretty sure it doesn't)

Since when does comodo or nod32 prompt you for comfirmation every time you want to install something? :confused:

It doesn't depending on the settings that are being used.

Precisely the opposite in my experience.

People that turn it off are advanced users and know what they're doing.

People that leave it on are usually basic users who will easily get suckered into installing an anti-virus recommended by a pop-up. They'll just allow everything and end up infected regardless.

UAC won't protect someone with no common sense. However, Common sense will protect someone, even without UAC.

+ 1, pretty much my opinion as well.

If the user is just a basic user, who doesn't know much about computers/software etc. and only uses the PC for browsing, work (using office or something else) then they might as well leave it on, even though they probably won't know what the setting does :p or even what the pop up means :p

Where as for someone who does know a lot more about the stuff and spend most of there time on the PC messing around with settings, trying different software out etc. downloading a lot of stuff from sites etc. then personally I would say turn it off as your more than likely experienced enough to make those decisions your self and don't need to be told what it is, what it does etc.

But I know some people are just paranoid about privacy, security etc. as I know a few people who run real time programs, 1 anitvirus, 1 firewall, 2 spyware programs (with the pop ups constantly on, so anything that you want access to, you will get a prompt asking what to do etc.) and then do a scan every day etc.


No matter what anyone says here, no matter how smart, knowledgeable etc. they are, I will not turn UAC on, as I have stated that my PC is working great with it off, no problems what so ever with peerblock, Nod32 anitvirus, comodo firewall and of course the router firewall on and plus a spyware program to do a scan every so often.

Have not had any spyware or viruses ever since my install of windows 7 and I install, uninstall etc. a number of programs everyday, download something every day (legal stuff), however saying that there have been some sites that I visit regularly e.g. one of them is a well known forum that I use for keeping up to date with my spica etc. and as soon as the website loaded up, nod32 antivirus showed a pop up saying that one of the ads that was loaded on that site was a hack, trojan downloader and it was quarantined immediately.

Also one person that I know who has a lot more security programs etc. with the pop ups turned on etc. (although is on XP) has a lot more problems than anyone I know in terms of performance, stability. Has pretty much the same hardware as me and his system is so slow, unresponsive, hangs and might I also mention he caught a virus and a few spyware as well even though he has all that security and it still hasn't done him any favours compared to someone like me with my setup who has had no problems.

So just shows no matter how much protection you have, if your not smart/knowledgeable enough then it proves to be pretty useless in the end.
 
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Yeah.. Some people seem to think UAC is some sort of holy grail which will protect you from everything, including lack of common "computer" sense.
 
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As we can see we have a clear divide of people that have it on or off. So for the people that have it on, what are the main reasons for this as a lot of people that have turned it have stated why.

And you cannot just use the 'extra protection' bull.

The extra protection is not bull in the slightest. Protected mode IE requires UAC for starters. Granted, it's not a protection you can rely on, but it does a job.

The whole admin/non-admin thing is so old and so basic it feels like a waste every time the topic comes up. Those who find it annoying can just turn it off because it won't make a difference to the direction Microsoft are taking.
 
All I would add, Nexus12, is that you shouldn't place too much trust (if any at all) in your anti-virus software to do as good a job next time you stumble upon an unsavoury website. It's a bit like getting a Malaria jab and then visiting Africa or somewhere like that and expecting an absolute zero risk of getting infected.

Secondly I find it utterly bizarre how someone can be so anti-UAC yet so pro AV and pro-software firewall at the same time. It's really REALLY weird. Considering UAC in combination with a bit of sense and discipline is pretty much ALL you need nowadays to keep your PC secure.

Lastly, when you do get infected (cause it will happen sooner or later), think of this thread okay? ;)

PS: To those whose mind cannot ever be changed on this subject. I would only recommend that you don't turn UAC fully off but just set it to "Silent" mode. That way at least you don't lose the benefit of Integrity Levels between processes. Which is a pretty killer security feature, and one that never causes prompts ;)
 
PS: To those whose mind cannot ever be changed on this subject. I would only recommend that you don't turn UAC fully off but just set it to "Silent" mode. That way at least you don't lose the benefit of Integrity Levels between processes. Which is a pretty killer security feature, and one that never causes prompts ;)

Exactly, people disabling UAC completely are also making programs such as Google Chrome less secure because they use those different Integrity levels between processes, as does IE for protected mode.
 
Too much paranoia over security these days, I always turn off UAC/Defender and don't run any anti-virus and I've never been compromised, if I have they didn't do any damage. I do keep software up to date though.

Don't have a house alarm, security camera or alsatian either and never been burgled. :p
 
I always turn off UAC/Defender and don't run any anti-virus and I've never been compromise

Classic argument. If you run nothing, how do you know?

I run UAC because it is an extra hurdle malicious software has to jump over. It is by no means a silver bullet, but in tandem with many of the other security features of Windows, it can be very effective. It really is not an intrusion for me and many others.

The real reason you can turn it off is not because MS wants to give users customization, but they know that a lot of software still doesn't comply with their best practices. In a perfect world almost no software will need admin rights just to run - unless it is specifically designed for making changes to sensitive areas of the OS. UAC is here to stay and there is very much the possibility of it being a permenant-on feature in future versions of Windows.
 
But of course all that that does is make me question your experience and/or knowledge on the matter of Windows security...

You know every developer at Microsoft runs with UAC? Because they know that, even for them, it has major security benefits.

Nobody in this thread is an "advanced" user. Not from what I've seen. It's the pretty typical OcUK demographic of "I can build a PC and even overclock it therefore I'm an expert and know more than Microsoft's kernel and security teams combined."

Do you honestly think every ms developer is a typical user?

I personally think thats exactly the opposite of what they are - even ms machines are likely to be pretty closed off even for devs. Not one single person will ever be responsible for a control panel app (let alone a full office app)

They are more than likely incredibly good at what they do, but a reasonable it support person at a medium sized company woould get more exposure to every day windows usage than 95% of MS

Java update convinced me to turn UAC off in Win7, allowed it to update by signing in 3 days in a row, but it still promptedme for days after, so no its not fixed yet imo
 
Java update convinced me to turn UAC off in Win7, allowed it to update by signing in 3 days in a row, but it still promptedme for days after, so no its not fixed yet imo

That's a problem with the Java updater, not with Win7. UAC should prompt you when you update a program - modifying existing programs is a technique used by malware. The question is why the Java updater is trying to install updates every day.
 
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