Sikhs allowed to wear ceremonial dagger to school

Werewolf said:
And from memory the "ceremonial" dagger in question can be blunt, sealed into it's sheaf or miniature...and many Sikhs do have one of those options, I suspect given the advice any taking one to school will have the sealed option.

It's a relatively non story.
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Possibly, I wonder however, are you allowed to carry a knife openly on the street currently?

Take Sikhs out of it, take schools out of it, I wasn't sure you are allow to openly carry a dagger anywhere?

I thought daggers were banned due to dual edges, and knifes were allowed of certain lengths as long as they were fixed blades.
Might be wrong, but I thought daggers were currently prohibited.
 
doofer said:
Well, at least they have a big bandage around their heads to use if they do stab anyone.
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Well those so call people who worn these bandages played a massive part it stopping you speaking german. Sikh fought side by side with the British to stop hilters invasions, so count yourself grafeful. Sikhs fought in wars with their turbans on and also flying fighter planes and i didnt hear anyone complaining then.

come back when you got something sensible to say , with the kirpan issue i glad baptised sikh kids can wear them, they are the foundations of the religion and on a bonus they will annoy a lot of people on here. :D
 
As a Sikh (non practising) I don't think the Kirpans should be allowed in school.
Sure they aren't sharp but with enough force that could puncture skin so why take a risk

Also I think you could count the number of students who will actually carry the blade on your hands.


sunnysingh said:
Well those so call people who worn these bandages played a massive part it stopping you speaking german. Sikh fought side by side with the British to stop hilters invasions, so count yourself grafeful. Sikhs fought in wars with their turbans on and also flying fighter planes and i didnt hear anyone complaining then.

come back when you got something sensible to say , with the kirpan issue i glad baptised sikh kids can wear them, they are the foundations of the religion and on a bonus they will annoy a lot of people on here. :D
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What he said was actually quite funny!
 
sunnysingh said:
Well those so call people who worn these bandages played a massive part it stopping you speaking german. Sikh fought side by side with the British to stop hilters invasions, so count yourself grafeful. Sikhs fought in wars with their turbans on and also flying fighter planes and i didnt hear anyone complaining then.
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To be fair most of the action seen by the Indian Army was in the far east theatre and so had little impact on us speaking german or not. (Not to say all, but the majority certainly was). Also, if you really want to be pedantic you would probably have to mention the many that also went over to the other side and fought against Britain during WW2.
 
RDM said:
To be fair most of the action seen by the Indian Army was in the far east theatre and so had little impact on us speaking german or not. (Not to say all, but the majority certainly was). Also, if you really want to be pedantic you would probably have to mention the many that also went over to the other side and fought against Britain during WW2.
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Sikhs werent stationed just In the east but in many parts of Europe such as Italy and Belgium, many soldiers might have crossed to hitlers army but what percentage of them were Sikhs ? You must understand that Sikh are the minority in india but they made the biggest sacrifies
 
sunnysingh said:
Sikhs werent stationed just In the east but in many parts of Europe such as Italy and Belgium
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Hence the "most". It really is pretty much a stretch to say they played a "massive" part in stopping us speaking german when it just really isn't the case. This is not to belittle the efforts of any of the commonwealth troops that fought for Britain in World War 2 but the primary impact from the Indian Army was in the far east.

sunnysingh said:
, many soldiers might have crossed to hitlers army but what percentage of them were Sikhs ? You must understand that Sikh are the minority in india but they made the biggest sacrifies
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No idea, but if you are going to big up their involvement, it is only fair to show the other side of the coin as it were.
 
The weird thing is that as far as Im aware this has been the norm for at least 25years+ so that make me believe:

a) Its a non-story / really slow news day
b) In that time can someone tell me how many incidents involving kirpans have happened in the UK? I dont think I can recall one...

Its all great to be reactionary (the great British press huh ;)) but usually its helpful if theres a point to react about...

In other news OMG Nuclear Power - we are all going to melt like in Robocop...

ps3ud0 :cool:
 
ps3ud0 said:
The weird thing is that as far as Im aware this has been the norm for at least 25years+ so that make me believe:

a) Its a non-story / really slow news day
b) In that time can someone tell me how many incidents involving kirpans have happened in the UK? I dont think I can recall one...

Its all great to be reactionary (the great British press huh ;)) but usually its helpful if theres a point to react about...

In other news OMG Nuclear Power - we are all going to melt like in Robocop...

ps3ud0 :cool:
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I agree here there a law passed many years ago that states baptised sikhs are allow to carry a kirpan, i cannot remember any instances where a kirpan was used , so therefore these sikh baptise kids are not breaking any law
 
cm1179 said:
nativity plays have been the norm for a lot longer

knife crime has risen a lot in 25 years
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As far as im aware this isnt about the religions themselves but the governments allowing one rule for one and something else for another on a potentially lethal item.
 
cm1179 said:
nativity plays have been the norm for a lot longer

knife crime has risen a lot in 25 years
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I will bet you a trillion pounds that there is no correlation at all between knife crime and Sikhs carrying knives.

In fact, I'd probably even bet that no knife crimes are committed with Sikh ceremonial knives. OK, less than 1% then, just to be on the safe side. But I doubt even that.
 
Deadbeat said:
Pretty much sums up my opinion, although someone's much more likely to be killed by a dagger than a pencil when the school psycho does decide to rage. Then again, I highly doubt these daggers are going to be 8" sharpened blades.
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A kirpan can be of any size, so this ruling as stated would allow the carrying of a bona fide sword to school.

Of course most Sikhs choose a more convenient size, but it's still quite easy to kill someone with a dagger that has 4" blade.

And yes, they are daggers. Some Sikhs are offended by people accurately calling them a dagger, but it's what they are unless they're long enough to be called a sword.

They have been used in attacks. Sikhs are people, not superhuman wonderbeings who can do no harm. If enough people constantly carry a weapon, some of them are going to use it at some time.

The bottom line is to what extent religions are to be given preferential treatment and their followers given special privileges. I think the right answer is "not at all", but even amongst those who think theists should be given special privileges many would draw the line at the special privilege of being armed at school.

Also...why only religion? The Sgian Dubh has cultural significance in Scotland, but it's illegal to carry it in public, let alone to school. Why is religion so very much more important than culture?
 
vonhelmet said:
I will bet you a trillion pounds that there is no correlation at all between knife crime and Sikhs carrying knives.

In fact, I'd probably even bet that no knife crimes are committed with Sikh ceremonial knives. OK, less than 1% then, just to be on the safe side. But I doubt even that.
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It isn't none. So you lose your bet. How will you transfer the trillion pounds to me?
 
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