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Will it ever be this cheap again?

Buchanan0204

Buchanan0204

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XFX ATI Radeon HD 5870 1024MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card supplied with Dirt 2 & AVP PC-Games [HD-587X-ZNFC]

Unfortunately I don't have the cash at the moment to buy this card but would be interested in it in the very near future. Will it ever be as cheap as £235 again or will it return to the £300 and stay there.

Why is it such a significant jump for the week only deal, usually they only knock a tenner off.
 
chances are good that it will come down in price when the 69xx series finally arrive in the new year. not sure how far it will come down though, you could look for 2nd hand?
 
It is a very good buy, but it is maybe getting rid of stock for the pending arrival of the new cards from AMD.. Still a good purchase though.
 
Why isn't the 6870 a lot more expensive and better than the 5870 since the 6xxx series is a new model of card. I'm rather confused, surely the latest models should be better. What is the difference, performance wise and price seem to be neck and neck.
 
Buchanan0204 said:
Why isn't the 6870 a lot more expensive and better than the 5870 since the 6xxx series is a new model of card. I'm rather confused, surely the latest models should be better. What is the difference, performance wise and price seem to be neck and neck.
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The 6 series have had their names restructured. 6800s are now midrange, so think of the 6800s as the successors to the 5700s, the successors to the 5800s will be the 6900s now. The 6900s are due in about 2-3 weeks.
 
So what are the expected prices for the 6950/6970.

£250/£300?

Dual card comes in at ~£450-500?
 
depends much on how aggressive AMD are. The 6970 will pretty much be close in performance to the GTX 580. If it's slightly slower (likely) or even slightly faster, you can expect it to show up just below the price of the GTX 580 come mid December. Ofc Nvidia may tactically lower the price of their GTX 580 just prior to the launch.

the 6950 I'm not sure. I suspect it will be between GTX 470 and 480, and be close or slightly faster than the 5870. I expect it to be around £250-300.
 
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-103-MS&groupid=701&catid=56&subcat=411

No idea why you'd consider paying £235 for a card that, when both are overclocked, are 5-10% apart, £160 for a brand new 5850, or a 6870 for a bit more are both massively better value than a 5870, which is still horrible value as it has been since launch.

10% more for 50% increased cost over a 5850, daft choice.

At stock 5850/5870 are much further apart because essentially, a 5850 is a downclocked 5870, both are full capable of the same final clockspeeds.

The 6870/6850 are great cards though more efficient and fantastic dual gpu scaling, unmatched by any other pair of AMD or Nvidia cards, so if you fancy a second card in the future I'd choose a 68xx over a 58xx.

The only 5850's that aren't great value are ones without voltage control as default voltage is lower than a 5870 and they won't hit the same overclocks, afaik the MSI has voltage control and I wouldn't spend more than 10% more getting a 5870 over a 5850 ever.


A 470gtx if you can find one will be great value.

As for pricing on the 6970/6950, I'd be surprised if the 6970 was over £350, and if the 6850 is more than £250 I'd also be surprised. Likely the 6950 will be £225-250 somewhere, and the 6970 £300-325, £350 for some fancy overclocked models.

Even if its faster than the 580gtx it will NOT cost over £400, and it won't cost the same or more than a 580gtx.
 
it'll def be less than a 580 that's for sure. (6970). I really wouldn't get a 5870 if i had a choice between 470,6870,5850 at their current prices (new).
 
This is really thrown me now. I have no idea what card to get or when to get it. I am willing to spend £230-£240 max.

Should I wait a few weeks till ATI bring out these new cards or should I go for an Nvidia GTX 470 just now.

I don't really follow hardware releases, and I've never really been a gamer so graphics cards have never been a typical point of interest for me with regards to latest technology and benchmarks/performance.

In everyones opinion for the money i'm talking, what card would you get for playing games at 1920x1200.

Cheers.
 
I have 5870 and game at same res you are.
Card is fantastic, plays everything well.
Is it, or, is it not good value is completely different matter.

If you are going to play waiting game with hardware releases, well, you can wait for a long time as there is always new card just coming.......
 
Vekiq said:
I have 5870 and game at same res you are.
Card is fantastic, plays everything well.
Is it, or, is it not good value is completely different matter.

If you are going to play waiting game with hardware releases, well, you can wait for a long time as there is always new card just coming.......
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People say that, its never once in the history of the universe been true.

If you listened to only Nvidia sites last November you would have waited a long time if you were waiting for Fermi to launch, but even most of the Nvidia sites cottoned on fairly quickly.

The new cards are releasing in the next couple weeks, the next new cards after that are going to be from Q3 next year into Q2 the year after that if Nvidia has another Fermi like issue on the new process. Theres not a release every few weeks, top end game is changing entirely before xmas, prices, performance, dual gpu, top AMD gpu's, etc, etc.

5870 prices will plummet even lower IF any stock is left after the 6950 is available.


If you have £240 to spend AND want the best, get a 6950, if you just want very good value and very good performance but the best doesn't really matter, a 470GTX is great value(not quite as good as £165 they went for a couple weeks ago :( ). The only real question is will there still be any good value 470gtx's available by the time the 6970/50 launch in two weeks, probably but they might sell out, the cards are EOL, as are the 480 and 5870/5970.

If you really wanted to buy now, the value is in 5850/6850/6870/470gtx cards and performance is great with all of them.

The 5870/480gtx right now are still not good value, 10% more performance, huge cost increase, the 580gtx is simply terrible value and out of your price range anyway.

Honestly, I'd expect some 470gtx/5850's to still be in stock when the new cards launch, prices will probably improve and there could be some fantastic bargains on them, the 480gtx/5870 could also have better prices, but I can't think of any reason they'd become competitive with 470/5850 pricing.

Today, 470gtx of 5850 and overclock either, they both overclock well, or wait two weeks and get a 6950 which should be around £250, be a pretty decent lead over both(and potentially overclock better) with some very interesting new tech.

If you aren't that fussed about how much it costs, wait, if you prefer value, the 470/5850 likely won't be beaten by any new cards.
 
Wait for the 69XX series and see what the pricing is, could be the 6950 (a much more powerful card) will be not far off that price. best to just sit still and wait, either 2 things will happen

A)the 69XX come in at a price you can pay

or

B)the 69XX come in and the price on the 5870 a inferior GPU will drop even further.
 
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