Student protest today - spec me a sign

Tbh, I couldn't be arsed with students complaining any more.
The ones "protesting" are obviously to thick to actually read the lib/con plan.
The more they protest and show how childish they are (wrecking a police van) the more the public turns against them. As far as I can see the government has upheld its end of the bargain concerning education by providing free primary secondary including a levels/btec etc...

The number of students that seem to think their the most important thing for the economy is truly shocking. I have had to sit in on a number of graduate practical interviews and the level of competence and general knowledge of their chosen subjects is appalling. In most cases second year apprentices outshine nearly every graduate that applies. This has become so bad over the years that we actually send more apprentices off to uni, than we hire graduates.

IMHO I believe students need to take a real hard look at the world around them, as they seem to still be acting like children. Expecting the government and the tax payer to become their parents and pay for them to attend university but in reality the whole world is suffering from a financial crisis and cuts have to be made. People keep quoting the French system regarding university, here a quick fact the French are in a worse situation with their debt than us (I didn’t think that was possible...) and I somehow doubt the amount of social services they provide will be sustainable.
 
People paying their own way in life?! Careful! That's dangerous thinking. Better go back to paying for other people's tuition fees like a good chap.
 
Captain_Slick said:
You really do on £55k though, don't you? That's more than TWICE the average wage. Almost FIVE TIMES the minimum wage. Think yourself lucky, especially if the university education enabled you to earn such a living.
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No, I disagree. I notice the £300 coming out of my account every month, but it doesn't cause cash flow issues as it's an expected outgoing.

What has luck got to do with it?
 
It's lucky that you were born with the brains to get into higher education and not born in some slum, perhaps?
 
Forde said:
It's lucky that you were born with the brains to get into higher education and not born in some slum, perhaps?
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I was born into a poor family living in a council estate and went to an ex-polytechnic. I did well because I worked hard, not because I have some special 'lucky' ability that no one else has.
 
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Basher said:
No, I disagree. I notice the £300 coming out of my account every month, but it doesn't cause cash flow issues as it's an expected outgoing.

What has luck got to do with it?
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Exactly my point. It's a bill like anything else. The student loan has provided you with an education that has enabled you to earn £55k in the first place, no? Just like a car loan/insurance provides you with a form of transport that has enabled you to travel to work to earn the money to pay for that, or any other bill analogy.

Luck has everything to do with it. Give another person your knowledge, your qualifications and your student loan and there's no guarantee that they would get a job at the end of it earning £55k, is there? Everything is about luck these days, about knowing the right people, being in the right place, taking up the right opportunity. Nothing is certain. If your degree enabled you to get to the place you are at now, you should count yourself lucky because many people with degrees aren't so fortunate.
 
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Not necessarily. There isn't hundreds of thousands of jobs just waiting for graduates with 'useful' degrees either.
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No, but if you choose a good degree, from a good university and work hard to get a good grade it certainly ups your chances to get a decent job. It is hardly "luck" there is quite a bit of planning and effort involved.
 
Captain_Slick said:
Luck has everything to do with it. Give another person your knowledge, your qualifications and your student loan and there's no guarantee that they would get a job at the end of it earning £55k, is there? Everything is about luck these days, about knowing the right people, being in the right place, taking up the right opportunity. Nothing is certain. If your degree enabled you to get to the place you are at now, you should count yourself lucky because many people with degrees aren't so fortunate.
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Ok, so there is an element of luck, but equally graduates (even with decent degrees) can't come out of uni and expect to find an amazing job without working hard at it. And they shouldn't be saying they are 'unlucky' to not get a job if they haven't put the effort in to differentiate themselves.

Perhaps I got a bit lucky by knowing the right people, but the only reason I knew these people was by working hard during uni and networking with the appropriate people that I recognised could act in assisting me further my career. Is that luck?
 
Basher said:
Ok, so there is an element of luck, but equally graduates (even with decent degrees) can't come out of uni and expect to find an amazing job without working hard at it. And they shouldn't be saying they are 'unlucky' to not get a job if they haven't put the effort in to differentiate themselves.

Perhaps I got a bit lucky by knowing the right people, but the only reason I knew these people was by working hard during uni and networking with the appropriate people that I recognised could act in assisting me further my career. Is that luck?
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Yep.

They could have all told you to f off. :p
 
This thread is depressing me, it would appear that the Tories have already won - education is already a commodity to be invested in through debt for potentially limitless rewards later :( Whatever happened to learning for the sake scientific advancement, to understand the past, to study the great works of mankind? It would seem that in future all that will be on offer will be financial degrees (if you can afford it) with an advertising slogan of "98% of graduates from this course go on to be investment bankers". What future is there for the study of History, Art or English Literature?
 
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scorza... there's nothing stopping anyone from studying in their own time and at their own leisure and discovering the secrets of the universe.

Education hasn't been anything more than a way to evaluate someone's monetary worth to society for a long long time. It's when people continue their education off their own backs for their own reasons that they truly learn things.

The vast majority of useless/useful degrees exist to turn people into money makers for other people and probably always will do.

It's rather bizarre if you believe that intellectual enlightenment is only possible through the education system...

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