Student protest today - spec me a sign

Castiel said:
How do you work that one out. You do not have to pay for your education at the point of access, you are a student, you have no money.

You don't have to pay until you earn over £21k per annum and then you will only be paying 9% of your salary over that amount. If you are from a deprived background the likelihood that you will be eligible for Grants, Scholarships and Bursaries is increased due to the terms that Universities charging over £6k per annum in tuition have to comply with.

So, in reality, if you are indeed poor, you will receive you education free at point of access, and increased eligibility for non-repayable Grants and Bursaries, you will have the same opportunity as anyone else and you will only repay any loans you do have after you are earning enough to repay them at a taper interest rate and after 30 years if you have not repaid the loan it is wiped out.

Think yourself lucky that you do not live in the United States, then you would have something to complain about.

The bottom line here is this, if the fees do not increase then Universities will not be able to afford to provide the full range of degrees and available student places will decrease significantly. The smaller universities will close and in all likelihood only the Russell Group will remain.

Then you will have the situation where only the Rich will be able to gain a university education, because the universities would be forced to scrap student places and will allocate those remaining to those who can afford to pay over those who cannot.
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Someone please find something wrong with this, taking into account the day and age we live in financially. Please no drivel about education being free or a right, the country cannot afford it so get over it.
 
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Stringy said:
Someone please find something wrong with this, taking into account the day and age we live in financially. Please no drivel about education being free or a right, the country cannot afford it so get over it.
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Oh don't worry, I'm sure some of the resident "revolutionaries" will soon be along with some ideological clap trap, the only counter available to them after a logical and reasoned post. £9,000 a year is a lot, and it doesn’t sit easily with me, but needs must. What I don’t understand is how people will suddenly not be able to afford it? Of course they will, no one is paying a penny at the point of use? By way of contrast, my 1 year post-graduate course is costing £10,000 and had to be paid up front.
 
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Biohazard said:
You want other people to argue on your behalf?

:p
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No, I want those who are nonsensically arguing in circles with little support to explain logically how the current university system is fair, or suggest one that is fair for all (don't get 'all' confused with 'all students', not everybody needs or wants a degree/further education)
 
lucasade1 said:
£9,000 a year is a lot, and it doesn’t sit easily with me, but needs must. What I don’t understand is how people will suddenly not be able to afford it? Of course they will, no one is paying a penny at the point of use?
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It's the prospect of taking on that increased debt, and being able to pay it off in the circumstances of the long term unemployment and house prices etc.
 
lucasade1 said:
Oh don't worry, I'm sure some of the resident "revolutionaries" will soon be along with some ideological clap trap, the only counter available to them after a logical and reasoned post. £9,000 a year is a lot, and it doesn’t sit easily with me, but needs must. What I don’t understand is how people will suddenly not be able to afford it? Of course they will, no one is paying a penny at the point of use?
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Ha! I highly doubt anyone here has the audacity to call themselves a revolutionary. Given that Che described it as the highest form of humanity you'd have to be something special to deserve that label.
 
Biohazard said:
It's the prospect of taking on that increased debt, and being able to pay it off in the circumstances of the long term unemployment and house prices etc.
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Well if the degree you wish to take is not something that will secure you a decent future, surely it is time to wonder if your chosen degree is truly worth doing?
 
Stringy said:
No, I want those who are nonsensically arguing in circles with little support to explain logically how the current university system is fair, or suggest one that is fair for all (don't get 'all' confused with 'all students', not everybody needs or wants a degree/further education)
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It provides more access to those from impoverished backgrounds.

The damage has already been done, both ways have flaws. However, the standards have now been set.

We're about to potentially cost many out. Only time and the figures will tell that one.
 
Kenai said:
Well if the degree you wish to take is not something that will secure you a decent future, surely it is time to wonder if your chosen degree is truly worth doing?
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Do you understand the current economic climate, the social and North/South divide etc in this country?

I agree that choosing if a degree is worthwhile is well worthwhile, but even then it doesn't matter if there are no jobs to be obtained.

Degree or not.
 
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Biohazard said:
It provides more access to those from impoverished backgrounds.
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Someone from an impoverished background only pays back the tuition fees if they earn over £21k, and then at a low rate. At the point of payment (if ever) their background should matter little.

Less public funding for universities lessens the national deficit and makes the economy better for all.
 
Kenai said:
Well if the degree you wish to take is not something that will secure you a decent future, surely it is time to wonder if your chosen degree is truly worth doing?
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How do you define a decent future and should it be (as the implication is here) measured as one that makes you comfortably well enough off to pay back the student loan(s)?
 
Stringy said:
Someone from an impoverished background only pays back the tuition fees if they earn over £21k, and then at a low rate. At the point of payment (if ever) their background should matter little.

Less public funding for universities lessens the national deficit and makes the economy better for all.
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It's incentive though, and burden of debt.

We all know it gets paid back after in certain circumstances, but that can have a real profound effect on the descision making or consideration.

Especially when faced with issues of low employment and economic growth, concerns of the over inflated housing market and the fact that they are the generation who are going to have to start paying for the frivoulous use of state money for our generation, and the older ones, through the course of their life.

Debt and money overall is a very real issue for young people, some of which might not have never even managed to earn money yet before going to uni, or not having a job since leaving school if they don't (1in4 I believe) (I did, but that's a different topic entirely).
 
Biohazard said:
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Oh my god.

Janesy.

What's happened?

DO YOU FORGIVE ME?

:D

haha

Cheers, and I know I'm an argumentative so and so.. That's me :)
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I hardly every agree with you, actually make that never :D But sticking your fingers in your ears and shouting LALALALALALALA is just fail. Captain is doing just that. He loses automatically.
 
semi-pro waster said:
How do you define a decent future and should it be (as the implication is here) measured as one that makes you comfortably well enough off to pay back the student loan(s)?
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In the case of choosing whether to go to University, yes, it should be measured as one that makes you comfortably well enough off to pay back the loans.

If after obtaining your degree, it does not assist you in entering a career path whereby you can pay off the loan, why is it worth doing the degree in the first place?

Increased fees will provide more dissuasion to those looking to enter subjects where a degree will not likely further their career opportunities. I'd be interested to see figures from the protests and how many protesting are engineering and science students vs arts and media students. I suspect there are a damn sight more of the latter protesting these increases.
 
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Janesy B said:
I hardly every agree with you, actually make that never :D But sticking your fingers in your ears and shouting LALALALALALALA is just fail. Captain is doing just that. He loses automatically.
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Except that I've already argued my point perfectly well about 5 pages ago and you always oppose me regardless of the subject anyway because you've got an irrational fear of those better than you in every possible way. :o
 
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