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*****EVGA GTX 580 SuperClocks are in the building (IN STOCK)*****

Nobody will be running a GTX 580 or any other PCI-E card in 10 years. Anything more than a 3 year warranty is a publicity stunt and not worth paying extra for.

Also, calling a card "SuperClocked" when it has a 3% core bump / 1% memory bump is a deliberate attempt to mislead customers. A much more accurate name will be "EVGA GTX 580 PunyClocked Edition".

Incorrect GTX580 specs have been highlighted before within lots of posts that OcUK staff have frequented. It should really have been corrected a long time ago.
 
Nobody will be running a GTX 580 or any other PCI-E card in 10 years. Anything more than a 3 year warranty is a publicity stunt and not worth paying extra for.

Also, calling a card "SuperClocked" when it has a 3% core bump / 1% memory bump is a deliberate attempt to mislead customers. A much more accurate name will be "EVGA GTX 580 PunyClocked Edition".

Incorrect GTX580 specs have been highlighted before within lots of posts that OcUK staff have frequented. It should really have been corrected a long time ago.


I agree the overclock is small, but we don't name these cards, its EVGA who have gone with superclock.
 
DM is right, I hope Gibbo corrects the incorrect specs as it is misleading but I don't think it's intentional.

As for the price, 580 supplies are very very sparse at the moment, stock situation could actually be worse than when the 480 hit, I'm not surprised we are seeing some inflated prices. Are Nvidia having trouble making the GF110? are yields that bad.

Yes and no.

I would suspect they knew the 6970 is a VERY special card(for the same process the performance bump will be nothing short of a miracle) and theres one way around that, launch first and claim the win and feign ignorance when a better card is released "So Nvidia, whats your opinion on the 6970?" "The what now? doors going, got to run, sorry" then hangs up and has the Nvidia number disconnected ;)

How can you rush a launch on a product, hot lots, basically not all the time by any means, but quite a bit of the 6-8 weeks it can take to build gpu's is in waiting for machinery to be ready. IE one oven takes 1000 wafers and cooks them for a week, so TSMC want to fill it up to max before turning it on as it will cost a decent wedge just to run and they produce more a month if every machine is at capacity. If you pay extra you can get them to put 50 wafers in and basically push through 580gtx wafers through ahead of everything with no waiting between various stages. It costs a LOT more and kills profits and is useless long term, but to get a quick early batch done its more than possible and Nvidia have been known to do it pretty often. You can also do risk production wafers, rather than tape out then make 100 wafers and test they work, you can make 2000 wafers and pray to christ they work, because if they don't you've through 10 MILLION down in the bin, literally.

So theres quite a few ways to get some early batches quickly, then have a pretty long wait for the next "normal" lot to be ready.

That on top of the fact yields simply won't be great. Remember GF100 is 529mm2 and literally yielded not enough to release at 512sp's, the 580gtx is improved, but yields for the 512sp's are likely worse than yields for a 480sp salvaged 480gtx as, well, with the 580gtx you need basically the full 520mm2(its slightly smaller) to work, with a 480gtx you only needed 529mm2 - 1/16th of the shaders/rops/tmu's to be working, which themselves take up around 65% of the core maybe.

IE yields are better than the non existant 512sp GF100, but theres no chance a 520mm2 cores yields are going to be "good".

It would be certain in any way but I'd expect one of two things to happen, continual low supply, 5-10 cards here and there of various brands for months on end, in which case I'd suspect just really very poor yields. If in a couple of weeks, or a couple of months we see a pretty dramatic increase in supply then I'd assume they did indeed just push through some very expensive hot lots or possibly risk wafers to get some early half paper half hard launch stock going, but real production supply starting at a later date.

The 6970 might dictate what Nvidia do though, if the 6970 is flat out faster, 30% smaller and 30% cheaper, Nvidia won't have a huge incentive to mass produce 580gtx's. If the 6970 is on par or a bit slower then they have more reason to produce a higher quantity so they might be waiting on the 6970 to see how it does and push more 560gtx's into production, who really knows.
 
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There is no evidence that the 6970 will outperform the 580, or that the 580 is suffering the same yield issues that 480's had. Launch prices for the 580 are lower than the 480, it performs 15-20% better at stock, overclocks better, users less power and creates less noise.

At the moment a 580 is 40-50% more powerful than ATI's top single GPU - the 5870. Whether ATI can make up that gap with the 6900 refresh is questionable. 6900 will certainly need those rumoured 20% extra shaders (1920sp vs 1600) to compete with NVidia's top dog. I personally doubt that 6900 will show any significant gains, and that it may require very high stock clocks (limiting OCability) to edge ahead. Also remember that GTX580's overclock by a good 20%, meaning that NVidia does have ample room for factory overcloced versions. I cannot see prices of 580 dropping substantially below £400 anytime soon.
 
Can you eleborate more please?

In regards to how you were treated on the phone, well if that is indeed true I completely agree with you that is very poor on our behalf. If you have any details of who you spoke to and how they treated you then please email myself at [email protected]

Also the 10yr warranty EVGA offer is valid in the UK, because like you say its a key selling point.


P.S. GTX 580 spec should now all be spot on!

details emailed thank you
 
There is no evidence that the 6970 will outperform the 580, or that the 580 is suffering the same yield issues that 480's had. Launch prices for the 580 are lower than the 480, it performs 15-20% better at stock, overclocks better, users less power and creates less noise.

At the moment a 580 is 40-50% more powerful than ATI's top single GPU - the 5870. Whether ATI can make up that gap with the 6900 refresh is questionable. 6900 will certainly need those rumoured 20% extra shaders (1920sp vs 1600) to compete with NVidia's top dog. I personally doubt that 6900 will show any significant gains, and that it may require very high stock clocks (limiting OCability) to edge ahead. Also remember that GTX580's overclock by a good 20%, meaning that NVidia does have ample room for factory overcloced versions. I cannot see prices of 580 dropping substantially below £400 anytime soon.

They can be had for £310 for Asus
 
While I agree with DM post, I don't see the point in moaning about the price.

Top end components are always expensive for very little gain, some people are willing to pay the price and will.

In all fairness, as much as i love the forums, i would rather spend £20 elsewhere than actually buy from here because 2 of my 3 orders were duff and one never got processed.

I'm sure it was just one of those things as many are happy with the service but i don't go off on one because life is too short and i have free will, as do the people who want a £500 GPU.
 
DM is right, I hope Gibbo corrects the incorrect specs as it is misleading but I don't think it's intentional.

As for the price, 580 supplies are very very sparse at the moment, stock situation could actually be worse than when the 480 hit, I'm not surprised we are seeing some inflated prices. Are Nvidia having trouble making the GF110? are yields that bad.

No they just rushed them out without enough stock to beat ATI to the punch - fairly obvious move.

EDIT - Sorry I see somebody else had the same thought so just ignore this post.
 
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