Student protest today - spec me a sign

[nshire]

Would this work any lib dem controlled areas with a uni have the free tuition as promised by lib dem if they get in power.

Uni of Bristol
Uni of Bath
Uni of Chippenham

Is the only ones I can find with a Uni in a lib dem area in the south west.

Obviously the uni in libdem areas would need to prioritise local student.

Crazy idea .... Would bring favour back to lib dem they kept there promise to a degree. And people in labcon areas can't complain because they voted and elected labcons.

 

[Westyfield2]

Would this work any lib dem controlled areas with a uni have the free tuition as promised by lib dem if they get in power.

Uni of Bristol
Uni of Bath
Uni of Chippenham

Is the only ones I can find with a Uni in a lib dem area in the south west.

Obviously the uni in libdem areas would need to prioritise local student.

Crazy idea .... Would bring favour back to lib dem they kept there promise to a degree. And people in labcon areas can't complain because they voted and elected labcons.

It's been said for years that if it wasn't for the student vote in Bath (both The University of Bath, and Bath Spa University) the Lib-Dem Don Foster wouldn't get in.

Some question whether students who don't live there all year round (and not for the whole term of the MP's office) should vote there.... or whether they should vote in their home town instead.

Just looking on Wikipedia and the population of Bath is 83,992. Between the two universities there are 20,328 students. That's a quarter of the population that aren't living there all year round. Aren't necessarily going to be there for the whole 5 years. Are living in a kind of secluded society keeping themselves to themselves, not out working a 9-5, etc.

 

[Ahleckz]

It's been said for years that if it wasn't for the student vote in Bath (both The University of Bath, and Bath Spa University) the Lib-Dem Don Foster wouldn't get in.

Some question whether students who don't live there all year round (and not for the whole term of the MP's office) should vote there.... or whether they should vote in their home town instead.

Just looking on Wikipedia and the population of Bath is 83,992. Between the two universities there are 20,328 students. That's a quarter of the vote that aren't living there all year round. Aren't necessarily going to be there for the whole 5 years. Are living in a kind of secluded society keeping themselves to themselves, not out working a 9-5, etc.

I think the opposite, I've never understood why someone wouldn't vote in the constituency where they spend the majority of their time.
Plus, in my experience, people only go back 'home' (that is where they went to school) at the end of 1st year. Every other year myself and my friends (on the whole) have stayed in Glasgow. Indeed, I referred to Glasgow as 'home' as soon as I moved here in 1st year.

 

[Richie]

I'm not sure who's fault it was because I didn't read up... but I can understand people's frustration when you see people being arrested as they were on Coppers (TV programme)... for merely standing out.

They were "standing out" due to them being the more vocal members of the group which incited the other people around them to become more vocal/aggressive etc (pack mentality)

Take them away and the propensity for a potentially violent demo is reduced which makes it safer for everyone and, yes, easier to police.

Hemmed in, pushed about, shouted at, friends/myself being arrested for section blah under the act blah... only to be released without charge. I'd be getting ****ed off too.

I will draw your attention to the previous riot, and lets not kid ourselves on and pretend it was a demonstration, it was a riot plain and simple, where they broke into a building and smashed the place up and someone was very nearly seriously injured thanks to a rioter tossing a fire extinguisher off the roof.

This is what happens if the police DON'T do what you mention above.


Do I agree with kettling? Not really but there is currently no other way to contain crowds effectively.... yet.

 

[Westyfield2]

I think the opposite, I've never understood why someone wouldn't vote in the constituency where they spend the majority of their time.
Plus, in my experience, people only go back 'home' (that is where they went to school) at the end of 1st year. Every other year myself and my friends (on the whole) have stayed in Glasgow. Indeed, I referred to Glasgow as 'home' as soon as I moved here in 1st year.

I'm not sure where I stand on it TBH (**** that makes me sound Lib-Dem!).

I think that it some cities it's more of a 'problem' than others though.
Just found some more info on Wikipedia. As previously said the population of Bath is 83,992 and between the two universities there are 20,328 students.... the Parliament constituency of Bath has an electorate of 65,048. So there's 18,944 people not registered to vote for whatever reason (kids, CBA, gypsies, etc).

I don't know what percentage of those students are registered to vote, but in Bath there are 20,328 students and 65,048 voters. That's potentially a massive percentage compared with other constituencies and all a politician needs to say is "Free booze and lower tuition fees" and that's them sold.

 

[Deleted member 66701]

Originally Posted by OldCoals View Post
The funny thing is these protests have achieved absolutely nothing, other than taint peoples opinions of students even more than before.

My opinion of students has increased 10 fold since these protests - high school students especially.

I thought we were breeding a generation that didn't care about anything - the fees row has created a whole new generation of activists and future union leaders - there is hope for the future after all.

 

[Castiel]

My opinion of students has increased 10 fold since these protests - high school students especially.

I thought we were breeding a generation that didn't care about anything - the fees row has created a whole new generation of activists and future union leaders - there is hope for the future after all.

Haha. All they care about is having the day off school or causng havoc. Its been true of students of all generations. As soon as they enter the workforce and realise that life isn't as black and white as they thought they will be as everyone else.

They are protesting out of ignorance, not inherent unfairness.

 

[Nitefly]

Haha. All they care about is having the day off school or causng havoc. Its been true of students of all generations. As soon as they enter the workforce and realise that life isn't as black and white as they thought they will be as everyone else.

They are protesting out of ignorance, not inherent unfairness.

Oh what crap.

Having a different opinion of you is ignorent

 

[Castiel]

Oh what crap.

Having a different opinion of you is ignorent

Not having a different opinion, no.

Ignorant of the facts of the bill itself and the economics surrounding the reasons why fees need to be raised and the way in which it is repaid.

And yes many, if not most of the students protesting are doing it for the lulz, not because they really care and if you think otherwise you are very naive.

 

[Nitefly]

Not having a different opinion, no.

Ignorant of the facts of the bill itself and the economics surrounding the reasons why fees need to be raised and the way in which it is repaid.

I've already explained my own views in this thread and I am not ignorent on the subject (see my discussion with Dolph).

Furthermore, you could take that argument with anything budget related. You disagree with proposal X because you are ignorent about facts Y and Z. In fact it's what all political partys do to each other. So yes, you are saying it's ignorent for me to have a different opinion to you.

What a thoroughly ridiculous and crap thing to say - I would never make such a comment about you. All that is happening is that I disagree with proposal X because I have different opinions about the things you mention. That doesn't make me or you ignorent.

I wouldn't throw around that word so willy nilly as it's not very pleasant to be on the recieving end of.

And yes many, if not most of the students protesting are doing it for the lulz, not because they really care and if you think otherwise you are very naive.

I'm sure many are doing it for the 'lulz' but others do not. I'm not really sure of the relevance of this.

 

[sigma]

As soon as they enter the workforce and realise that life isn't as black and white as they thought they will be as everyone else.

Bit of a generalisation there.

 

[CliffyBiro]

I wouldn't bother with Castiel. Seems to argue for the sake of arguing.

 

[Monkey Puzzle]

What is a "soft" degree?

Panda reproduction studies.

 

[Dunks]

I reckon most of these students protesting will probably end up voting Tory in the next few years anyway

 

[Nitefly]

I reckon most of these students protesting will probably end up voting Tory in the next few years anyway

Haha it was fairly amusing at the protest I mentioned in the OP. A group of teenagers were shouting about aimed at the Tory party.

I said to the person I went with: "mmm, probably not a good time to publicly announce I voted Tory"

He replied: "You think that's bad - I'm a party member"

 

[Castiel]

I've already explained my own views in this thread and I am not ignorent on the subject (see my discussion with Dolph).

Furthermore, you could take that argument with anything budget related. You disagree with proposal X because you are ignorent about facts Y and Z. In fact it's what all political partys do to each other. So yes, you are saying it's ignorent for me to have a different opinion to you.

What a thoroughly ridiculous and crap thing to say - I would never make such a comment about you. All that is happening is that I disagree with proposal X because I have different opinions about the things you mention. That doesn't make me or you ignorent.

I wouldn't throw around that word so willy nilly as it's not very pleasant to be on the recieving end of.


I'm sure many are doing it for the 'lulz' but others do not. I'm not really sure of the relevance of this.

Whoa there horsey....where did I call YOU ignorant. I never made a personal comment about you at all and it is disingenuous to suggest otherwise.

I am not saying you are ignorant because you have a different opinion, I'm not talking about you at all, but generally. Generally most of the protestors are ignorant of the facts, that's not callling people ignorant, that's stating a position.

So get off your high horse there and quit taking things so personally.

As for the lulz comment, read the post I was replying to and you will see the relevance.

 

[Tefal]

Whoa there horsey....where did I call YOU ignorant. I never made a personal comment about you at all and it is disingenuous to suggest otherwise.

No, but you made it almost painfully clear you believed that he (and seemingly anyone else) only held a differing opinion to you because they where ignorant to the "economics".

 

[Castiel]

I wouldn't bother with Castiel. Seems to argue for the sake of arguing.

No I don't.

Besides debate and discussion include arguing disparate positions don't you know.

 

[Nitefly]

Whoa there horsey....where did I call YOU ignorant. I never made a personal comment about you at all and it is disingenuous to suggest otherwise.

I am not saying you are ignorant because you have a different opinion, I'm not talking about you at all, but generally. Generally most of the protestors are ignorant of the facts, that's not callling people ignorant, that's stating a position.

So get off your high horse there and quit taking things so personally.

As for the lulz comment, read the post I was replying to and you will see the relevance.

Sorry for the misunderstanding but in the future you should probably be a bit more careful when describing people generally as you did because you are going to come across as labelling individuals a certain way.

I still think it's grossly unfair to say 'most' of the protestors are ignorent. The only word you can use fairly is 'some'.

 

[Castiel]

No, but you made it almost painfully clear you believed that he (and seemingly anyone else) only held a differing opinion to you because they where ignorant to the "economics".

That is not calling someone ignorant in an insulting way. That is simply stating that they are operating without the full facts or have not looked beyond the surface of the proposal and in the main they have not.

I was not referencing anyone personally, neither was I insulting anyone at all. To suggest I was is disingenuous.

I coukd have worded it a little better maybe, but in my defence its not easy on a phone.