Wikileaks - latest leak

guyfawkes5 · 7 Dec 2010 at 21:56

rypt said:
Should we be enforcing a potentially politically motivated arrest warrant though?

You said it yourself - 'potential'.

The point of a judiciary is to judge whether the charges are warranted or not. This process doesn't begin with the police.

Glaucus · 7 Dec 2010 at 21:56

He handed himself in, it's not an american warrant and it's up to the courts to decide if it's valid.

meghatronic · 7 Dec 2010 at 21:57

AcidHell2 said:
He handed himself in, it's not an american warrant and it's up to the courts to decide if it's valid.

Exactly. Besides, surely it's the best time to 'rape' someone as you can point the finger and say you're being hounded

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CliffyBiro · 7 Dec 2010 at 21:58

meghatronic said:
Exactly. Besides, surely it's the best time to 'rape' someone as you can point the finger and say you're being hounded .

Ha, yeah because 'Rape someone' was on his To Do list.

meghatronic · 7 Dec 2010 at 22:00

skippi90 said:
Ha, yeah because 'Rape someone' was on his To Do list.

To quote rypt,

rypt said:
And you know that how?

PermaBanned · 7 Dec 2010 at 22:03

The question is - would Sweden go through all this trouble for a potential rapist that they've turned down before that wasn't the enemy of everyone in the ruling classes that has something to hide?

CliffyBiro · 7 Dec 2010 at 22:03

meghatronic said:
To quote rypt,

Because I was that girl!

meghatronic · 7 Dec 2010 at 22:04

Superewza said:
The question is - would Sweden go through all this trouble for a potential rapist that they've turned down before that wasn't the enemy of everyone in the ruling classes that has something to hide?

The Swedish judicial system is odd. But I guess it is in the public interest to pursue the matter. He could be found innocent after all, thus clearing his name and embarassing his enemies.

[TW]Fox · 7 Dec 2010 at 22:05

Superewza said:
The question is - would Sweden go through all this trouble for a potential rapist that they've turned down before that wasn't the enemy of everyone in the ruling classes that has something to hide?

I can't see Swedens motive really. They've not been implicated in many if any of the leaks, it's not really anything to do with them.

I suspect a genuine allegation has been made against him and it's not a conspiracy at all. The validity of the allegation is another matter entirely.

Tefal · 7 Dec 2010 at 22:06

Superewza said:
The question is - would Sweden go through all this trouble for a potential rapist that they've turned down before that wasn't the enemy of everyone in the ruling classes that has something to hide?

yeah i agree we should just not investigate rape charges on famous or controversial figures.

Like football players as it's clearly just money grabbing or a big plot.

It's not like rape is serious or anything is it....

PermaBanned · 7 Dec 2010 at 22:11

Tefal said:
yeah i agree we should just not investigate rape charges on famous or controversial figures.

Like football players as it's clearly just money grabbing or a big plot.

It's not like rape is serious or anything is it....

Oh god, don't start that. So we need a team investigating the guy investing the ruling classes? Who keeps them in check? Would be so much easier if everyone looked out for everyone else.

My head hurts, i'm going to watch TV.

rypt · 7 Dec 2010 at 22:18

[TW]Fox;17953820 said:
I suspect a genuine allegation has been made against him and it's not a conspiracy at all. The validity of the allegation is another matter entirely.

IS it genuine if say US gov. have paid or somehow else interfered to get the women to make the allegations?

[TW]Fox · 7 Dec 2010 at 22:21

rypt said:
IS it genuine if say US gov. have paid or somehow else interfered to get the women to make the allegations?

Thats not really anything to do with the Swedish government, and you'd hope that if this was the case, it would come out in court.

I doubt any government is involved in this.

guyfawkes5 · 7 Dec 2010 at 22:21

People are forgetting who stands to gain the most from a falsified rape charge entangled within an international judiciary conspiracy: the lizardmen.

Can't it just be that the guy is an idealist but also overly amorous with ladyfolk? :rolleyes:

Cosimo · 7 Dec 2010 at 22:21

skippi90 said:
Because I was that girl!

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That would explain a lot. ;)

iviv · 7 Dec 2010 at 22:21

[TW]Fox;17953820 said:
I can't see Swedens motive really. They've not been implicated in many if any of the leaks, it's not really anything to do with them.

I suspect a genuine allegation has been made against him and it's not a conspiracy at all. The validity of the allegation is another matter entirely.

But what about the fact that it was thrown out of court once before?

Tefal · 7 Dec 2010 at 22:21

rypt said:
IS it genuine if say US gov. have paid or somehow else interfered to get the women to make the allegations?

yes it's a genuine allegation as far as the police are concerned and must be investigated.

[TW]Fox · 7 Dec 2010 at 22:23

iviv said:
But what about the fact that it was thrown out of court once before?

Thats a bit different to being found innocent, is it not?

Glaucus · 7 Dec 2010 at 22:24

rypt said:
IS it genuine if say US gov. have paid or somehow else interfered to get the women to make the allegations?

So you want to just ignore warrants, or perhaps we should do what we do in every case, if it meets certain criteria they are arrested, they can then appeal and a uk court will make a verdict on the warrant and any otger circumstances.

Why would or should it just be ignored.

rypt · 7 Dec 2010 at 22:24

Tefal said:
yes it's a genuine allegation as far as the police are concerned and must be investigated.

Police can investigate without arresting or charging him though

I'm not saying he should not be arrested, I'm merely saying UK needs to play this one carefully to ensure that we are being fair and that
a) the charges are not politically motivated
b) there is some real basis to the charges
c) he will get a fair trial in Sweden (afaik they have no jury for rape trials)