Why did non-English MPs vote?

Muban said:
Not this again. Scots (all the ones I know) are quite happy for only English MPs to be able to vote in these situations. We don't want the best of both worlds. It's only fair that you be allowed to vote on issues that relate to you and not to vote on the issues that don't. Of course it would be better if Scottish MPs abstained, I bet they don't though.

Really there needs to be a change so these issues are truly devolved for England also.
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Funny thing is, if the Welsh, Ni and Scots had not be taking part the govt would have had a much easier time ensuring the vote passed. Afaik virtually all non-English MPs voted against.
 
I don't see what is wrong with Scots and Welsh MPs voting in favour of English students when their English MPs have let them down so badly. Scots and Welsh students aren't going to have these £9k tuition fees so at least they would have been voting for fairness and equality.

I agree with Dolph though, it would have been unacceptable for this legislation to have gone through because Scots and Welsh MPs voted in favour of it while at the same time ensuring that students in their own constituencies didn't have to suffer the consequences.
 
Forde said:
Shouldn't have been such nancy boys and let us conquor you then ;)
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In a number of cases Scotland didn't so much let England conquer it, often there were Scots on both sides - it's just sometimes England managed to get the harder Scots to take their money. :p

eatcustard said:
Can we have our money back.

Lets see how long you last. ;)
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When you give the oil revenues back... Actually no, it's a futile argument on both sides so let's not go down this road again.

As for whether Scottish MPs should vote on peculiarly English matters, I'd prefer if they didn't whether that is mandated and enforced or done as a matter of conscience. However I can almost see an argument that this is something that is likely to directly impact on Scottish & Welsh constituents in very short order. While education is currently a devolved matter for Scotland relatively few matters even if nominally English only, are so limited in effect.
 
D.P. said:
Sorry to say it, but anyone with at least 1 brain cell in Scotland voted conservative or lib dem.
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Heh, it is amusing to think of how many still voted Labour given the last 3 years.
People will vote they way they vote and rarely change, no matter how many mistake a party makes.
 
It does seem a bit daft logically whenever it doesn't really take effect on their particular area of the U.K.

I guess it's something that will always come up though over time with plenty of other issues.
 
crisbduck said:
Sorry to make the 100th thread on student fees, was just wondering why non English MPs voted today on English tuition fees, as its clearly a devolved issue?
Cheers :)
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Sadly the same is true of all acts of parliament that relate to devolved issues only effecting england.

Irish / Scottish Mps get to vote.
 
meghatronic said:
Actually, what he said was equally as right as your correction. NI people can identify as Irish if they please.
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I know...I live here. ;)

Wasn't trying to offend anyone by the way. Kind of playing off Stewart Lee's thing of, "The IRA, they didn't want to be British....but they were!" :D
 
scorza said:
I don't see what is wrong with Scots and Welsh MPs voting in favour of English students when their English MPs have let them down so badly. Scots and Welsh students aren't going to have these £9k tuition fees so at least they would have been voting for fairness and equality.

I agree with Dolph though, it would have been unacceptable for this legislation to have gone through because Scots and Welsh MPs voted in favour of it while at the same time ensuring that students in their own constituencies didn't have to suffer the consequences.
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So you agree that they should vote, but only if it is for the side you support.:confused:
 
semi-pro waster said:
In a number of cases Scotland didn't so much let England conquer it, often there were Scots on both sides - it's just sometimes England managed to get the harder Scots to take their money. :p
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Politics, who'd have guessed...:p



semi-pro waster said:
When you give the oil revenues back... Actually no, it's a futile argument on both sides so let's not go down this road again.
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The Barnett Formula has already given the oil revenue back one way or another...:p

Devolution is a horror show of a halfway house.

Either be a single unified country or given them a referendum on independence and abide by the outcome. Simple solutions are the best solutions really.
 
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Castiel said:
So you agree that they should vote, but only if it is for the side you support.:confused:
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:confused: No, it's all right to vote as long as it's not for something that is unfairly advantageous to the Scots/Welsh residents and to the detriment of English residents.
 
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