Unfortunately its very true.
Have students actually got anything to complain about?
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Unfortunately its very true.
So you are seriously saying that anyone who has not been to University cannot be objective....
utter nonsense.
That's great so go to uni and be all you can be, just stop whining about paying for it.
Interesting post in Speaker's Corner by Castiel where he models a few different earning/repayment profiles...
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=17975831&postcount=835
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=17975831&postcount=835
I've done the student thing, now work, and objectively, I think the students are being ******** ridiculous.
I'm guessing the people who are moaning about the students protesting are the people who haven't or couldn't get into uni and don't really know ?
Increasing the student fees will kill off anyone who isn't rich, finances should not be the requirement for an education.
The government will be shooting them selves in the foot, in 10 years when they realise we don't have the graduates to fulfil the jobs as a country that provides services. Where will get all the doctors, lawyers and scientists from if we refuse their education ?
That's true but do you think the student loans will be increased by the extra £9k a year.
MW
Increasing the student fees will kill off anyone who isn't rich, finances should not be the requirement for an education.
The government will be shooting them selves in the foot, in 10 years when they realise we don't have the graduates to fulfil the jobs as a country that provides services. Where will get all the doctors, lawyers and scientists from if we refuse their education ?
That's true but do you think the student loans will be increased by the extra £9k a year.
MW
Do you think students would be moaning if they all ended up earning a £100k a year ? lol
MW
The student loans will surely be raised to £9k/year to match.
I'm not too bothered about the rise in prices, although a lot of that is to do with me graduating in June. If university actually costs a lot people won't go to do joke degrees and just get drunk every night. You'll need to think about what you want to do and what the best way to do that is.
As a student I have some quite nice stuff but I only have £400 a term spare after I've paid my rent. Anything nice I have is because I got an overdraft and don't go out much
I'm not too bothered about the rise in prices, although a lot of that is to do with me graduating in June. If university actually costs a lot people won't go to do joke degrees and just get drunk every night. You'll need to think about what you want to do and what the best way to do that is.
As a student I have some quite nice stuff but I only have £400 a term spare after I've paid my rent. Anything nice I have is because I got an overdraft and don't go out much
While I don't agree with the rise in tuition fees I do think it's ridiculous the standard of living a lot of students seem to have. It's no longer the "living in a dive and on a shoestring budget" it once was. Maybe that's a good thing. It just adds a tiny bit of hypocracy when they complain about having no money.
Teaching funds for University are being cut 80% not University funding in total.
You'd be guessing wrong.
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"Students - the new Muslims". Or perhaps "Students - the new immigrants". They do appear to have become the whipping boys du jour.
Surely any one of the dozen or so other threads on how students are in fact workshy bums who have no conception about the World contain enough opprobrium to satisfy or does there really need to be yet more castigation?
Surely any one of the dozen or so other threads on how students are in fact workshy bums who have no conception about the World contain enough opprobrium to satisfy or does there really need to be yet more castigation?
Why can't your articulate your message in simple terms. You do appreciate there are students here as well.
You think they're going to be sat there wanting a £9000 wad of cash? Of course the loan will cover it. As people have pointed out many times already, at point of entry university won't cost any more - you'll just have more to pay back afterwards.
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Wrong, try again.
If people are so incapable of understanding that this isn't the case, then they shouldn't be going to university as they are clearly intellectually impaired.
We aren't refusing education, and we could happily cut university place numbers dramatically and still fill those roles because currently we have far too many people going to university doing pointless subjects.
Yes, that's exactly what is happening. Please, please go and read the proposals and make an effort to at least have an informed opinion...
Yup. Unfortunately I'm in that group. It's annoying how a friend of mine just bought a 32 inch TV and a PS3, just because he could. The grant system is a failure, giving money to those who don't need it. Self employed are usually the worse, having the books altered so their children get the full grant.
Or have read the policy, looked at the state of affairs and judged like the majority of Parliment that its the best option for the country?
No, increasing the fees stops people going to uni "for the experience" to do mickey mouse courses instead of as Doctors, Engineers, Designers etc.
At the moment we have too many graduates for the jobs available. The graduates I have spoken to and interviewed for the jobs all say the same. At the moment we have lots of graduates who did a course so that they could be at Uni instead of doing the course because they wanted a career in that field. Less graduates means better jobs for those that do go to Uni meaning they can afford to pay off the debt.
Of the 30 people in my "social group" at college only one of them went to uni for a career he wanted to be involved in and he went for Engineering. The rest openly admitted that they didn't know what they wanted to do and thought that going to uni for 3-4 years was the only option. This is as much the governments fault as theirs as the option of apprenticeships has vanished over the years. That one is now earning a decent wedge because of his degree and so his fees are being paid off.
It's been drummed in to people that you can only be successful by going to Uni which is a unfortunate lie which too many people have been sold. Having to weigh up the new cost against actual career prospects should mean we get less graduates but ones who WANT jobs in their respective field.
He's looking 20 years into the future. What do you think an average graduate would have earned 20 years ago? No doubt in a similar discussion someone as clueless as yourself may have said "Do you think student will be moaning if they're all earning £20-25k per years lol aren't I clever"
I work full time, and go one day a week, admittabley I'm not paying for it, but if my work didn't pay for it, I'd pay for it, and I'd have to pay for it up front off my bank balance, I wouldn't be able to get a loan, that I didn't have to pay back until I was earning above x amount, and even then only pay back a percentage of that amount above x.
Education should be free, and it is, until you go past the point where it is no longer compulsary, and becomes an optional choice, you can't ask people to pay for something they have to attend by force, but you can for something they chose off their own back to attend, which is fair in my eyes.
Maybe, but hopefully it will rid us of the people who've spent 4 years of higher university level education, chosing to study fashion marketing, or interior design, then rocking up at the jobcentre, and putting £25k+ as their expected starting earnings part of their form, just "because I'm a graduate, innit" inspite of having zero experience.
You do realise, that he £9k is the ceiling of the fee's, i.e. not all courses will be £9k p.a., but £9k p.a. is teh most they can charge if they choose to.