'Cap' on immigration is no longer in place

Patient Keeper · 17 Dec 2010 at 16:23

Not that I really care about this, as it is the only form of immigration I actively support (Highly Skilled Workers) but events like this just sum it all up.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-12022613

So despite promises, nothing has changed

Cosimo · 17 Dec 2010 at 16:41

Patient Keeper said:
So despite promises, nothing has changed

Bit of a sweeping statement there. A temporary cap on non-EU skilled workers has been challenged and upheld. There will probably be an appeal or a change in how this part of immigration policy is introduced again. The government will still be working to reduce immigration. I don’t see a broken promise here. Is there something you know that we don’t?

deadite66 · 17 Dec 2010 at 16:43

I'm starting to feel the government brings in legislation they know the courts will throw out so they can turn to us, shrug their shoulders and say "we'll, we tried".

Killerkebab · 17 Dec 2010 at 16:47

I'm having trouble figuring out what it is people want from their immigration policy here. I get the feeling people have the image of Britain being like a vault that must stay locked at all times and forever to the outside, but that you are more than welcome to leave at any time.

Bes · 17 Dec 2010 at 17:12

Good. The government's policy on immigration in this respect is wrong.

eatcustard · 17 Dec 2010 at 17:14

Bes said:
Good. The government's policy on immigration in this respect is wrong.

why?

We need a cap.

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All the Gov will do is lower the planned in April.

So Karma is normalised

Bes · 17 Dec 2010 at 17:19

eatcustard said:
why?

We need a cap.

--

All the Gov will do is lower the planned in April.

So Karma is normalised

It is a cap on skilled non-EU immigrants. Many of these are skilled individuals who are hired in by companies who cannot find the skills locally. If companies here cannot find enough 'people to do the job' they go elsewhere.

With the pension timebomb ticking here, we need to do everything we can to keep the mean population age low (i.e. lots of workers to pay pension contributions), and that means letting in Non-EU skilled workers.

[TW]Fox · 17 Dec 2010 at 17:20

eatcustard said:
why?

We need a cap.

We do.

But not a cap on skilled migration. There is no problem with skilled migration.

Castiel · 17 Dec 2010 at 17:23

Immigrant tax, tax each immigrant 3% on top of the base rate.

Nice simple immigration policy sorted.

eatcustard · 17 Dec 2010 at 17:43

We have plenty of skilled people in this country (EU) to do the jobs.

Its employers looking for a cheap option, more like

Bes · 17 Dec 2010 at 17:45

eatcustard said:
We have plenty of skilled people in this country (EU) to do the jobs.

Its employers looking for a cheap option, more like

You have no idea what you are talking about. Really.

Overslop · 17 Dec 2010 at 17:56

[TW]Fox;18023962 said:
We do.

But not a cap on skilled migration. There is no problem with skilled migration.

In a nutshell, this.

eatcustard · 17 Dec 2010 at 18:02

Bes said:
You have no idea what you are talking about. Really.

If you say so :rolleyes:

Bes · 17 Dec 2010 at 18:05

eatcustard said:
If you say so

Based on the evidence, I do say so. Why the rolleyes? You are talking nonsense. Do you honestly have any idea how Tier1 HSMP and Tier 2 work permits work?

eatcustard · 17 Dec 2010 at 21:11

Bes said:
Based on the evidence, I do say so. Why the rolleyes? You are talking nonsense. Do you honestly have any idea how Tier1 HSMP and Tier 2 work permits work?

Do you really think the British WANT any more people coming into the country?

We have over 2.4 million out of work.
So dont come to me with we need skilled xyz people, as we probably have them or we can train them to suit the job.

It always been business getting staff on the cheap.

[TW]Fox · 17 Dec 2010 at 21:17

eatcustard said:
Do you really think the British WANT any more people coming into the country?

We have over 2.4 million out of work.

2.4 million doctors out of work?

Or 2.4 million low skilled workers?

It always been business getting staff on the cheap.

Are you confusing skilled migration with cheap EU labour?

Joshy · 17 Dec 2010 at 21:22

eatcustard said:
Do you really think the British WANT any more people coming into the country?

I do. As long as they are skilled and have something to offer to society, have a job lined up and will contribute towards our tax system and country, I think you'd be utterly bonkers to send SKILLED people away.

What the vast majority of British people dislike are the people who'll come here, find cash in hand work via their own communities already established here, avoid paying into the system or even socializing out of their own ethic communities but will take advantage of everything that they can get coming to them.

You're not going to find people who come here as "skilled workers" working cash in hand at your local newsagents or ethic takeaway. They'll in most cases end up doing valuable jobs that either "British" people can't or do not want to do.

Saytan · 17 Dec 2010 at 21:25

[TW]Fox;18025480 said:
Or 2.4 million low skilled workers?

before we even mention the great swathes of those who dont want to work...

as it goes, i welcome ANYONE who wants to come here, work hard and pay taxes. Those that are here already (many by birth) who refuse to make an effort should be boiled down for soylent green.

deuse · 17 Dec 2010 at 21:36

[TW]Fox;18023962 said:
We do.

But not a cap on skilled migration. There is no problem with skilled migration.

What they should do is retrain the people already living here..problem solved.

[TW]Fox · 17 Dec 2010 at 21:37

deuse said:
What they should do is retrain the people already living here..problem solved.

Yes just like that, lets take Johnny off the dole and train him to be a doctor, problem solved.