UK government proposes to block all Internet porn as standard
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You feel oddly dehumanised sad after you've punched the poor guy in the face over and over to get his bacon while he looks at you with his loving trusting smile
You're spamming the wrong thread, this is the one you want:
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18196785
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I got thinking about this and its actually a pretty good supporting argument. There is plenty of good data thanks to opposing policies of UK and USA gun control
From:
http://www.gun-control-network.org/GF01.htm
If homicide is related to the availability of firearms, it follows likely that rape is related to the availability of pornography
US law is not UK law. Gun ownership is a right in America. Only when these figures are compared to other types of crimes can you fully draw proper comparisons. On top of that, gun crime and pornography usage are two extremely different things.
As for your final sentence, its more of the same. Statements of generalisations and assumptions rather than fact.
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Your point?
It is a logical conclusion. Do you believe in the Higgs Boson? Show me the proof.
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Edited the above post, please see.
Using your logic:
Men commit the majority of rapes, therefore its safe to assume that all men are rapists.
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Majority != all, 51/49 is a majority. logical fallacy.
The only argument i can see is a difference of terms. Are homicide/rape and gun/pornography equatable
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Welcome to your own logic.
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You haven't actually flawed the logic yet.
And you still have not provided any evidence for your arguments, instead you seem focused on tangents.
Show me statistical proof, or an accredited study that shows that rape is directly linked to pornography. Sure you will find a percentage of rapists that view or have viewed pornography, and yes it may effect them but no where near to the point you have been suggesting. Until this happens you can in no way claim that trends occurring within firearm usage and homicide can be accurately linked to pornography use and rape. (There would be your logical flaw).
So far most of what you have posted in this thread has been nonsensical, generalised and in some cases, borderline offensive (in your earlier posts when talking about the male view of women). I'm all for opinions but you cannot back yours up with any statement of fact, only random assumptions taken from other areas that have very little, if not nothing to do with the subject at hand.
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Research to date is inconclusive. Some studies show trends, others show no trends, others still support an inverse. It is a difficult subject to accurately study for many reasons including social desirability, variable reported crime rates and cross cultural difficulties. For a good run down of some of the research to date, see here:
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2372/is_n2_v34/ai_19551963/?tag=content;col1
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Ok, thank you for finding some studies 
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The first line there stands out. Thanks for finding the research done, but as you said it has been inconclusive. Therefore you can not make sweeping statements as you have done several times during this thread. As you've mentioned, its a difficult subject to study and as such you cannot draw any definitive logical conclusions from the research done.
As for this, its very rough as a study to be perfectly honest. They need to tackle a much wider social audience if they are to achieve better results. The wording of the article seems to focus on the results of the male tests more (see the "And Women" in brackets) and I can't help but feel its leading readers in to a trap. I agree that anyone desensitised will have different views, but that study only talks about punishment of the crime and not the act in itself. Without seeing the newspaper article you can not draw proper conclusions either. There is a lot to talk about in regards to that study, or any for that matter. It's a difficult subject to deal with. The problem is that there is NO EVIDENCE to suggest that pornography is directly associated with the act of rape, only peoples perceptions of it.
.The first line there stands out. Thanks for finding the research done, but as you said it has been inconclusive. Therefore you can not make sweeping statements as you have done several times during this thread. As you've mentioned, its a difficult subject to study and as such you cannot draw any definitive logical conclusions from the research done.
As for this, its very rough as a study to be perfectly honest. They need to tackle a much wider social audience if they are to achieve better results. The wording of the article seems to focus on the results of the male tests more (see the "And Women" in brackets) and I can't help but feel its leading readers in to a trap. I agree that anyone desensitised will have different views, but that study only talks about punishment of the crime and not the act in itself. Without seeing the newspaper article you can not draw proper conclusions either. There is a lot to talk about in regards to that study, or any for that matter. It's a difficult subject to deal with. The problem is that there is NO EVIDENCE to suggest that pornography is directly associated with the act of rape, only peoples perceptions of it.
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Ok, thank you for finding some studies
Hi,
I did not realise this forum was infact a scientific journal publication. Had i but known all arguments must be referenced we would not have got in to this mess. Of course, it would take half a century to construct any post putting little [n]s everywhere.
Of course, one could also suggest this forum is infact a place for ideas and speculation. That very little of what is actually said on here is referenced, or has been fastidiously studied to degree level. Perhaps, just maybe, rather than criticise my lack of proof, you could have provided some counter-proof yourself. After all, this is not the proof about the non-existence of God is it. But oh no, my little troll, the effort was too much to impart.
On topic, relevant paper here:
http://jap.sagepub.com/content/14/6/442.abstract
So in this example, both groups have been convicted of a sexual offence, and the ones who used pornography were more likely to display aggressive behaviours than the ones who did not.
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I'm not making sweeping generalisations as statements of fact, I don't need to provide proof to show how wrong that is.
Still, the old "I am right and you are a troll" post. The best way to finish a debate.
Ah, a study that backs you up in some way. Fantastic! It is subjective, but still a good example of why this bill could be a good idea.
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For anybody skimming the threat not wanting to partake in this back and forth, it comes down to this:
The evidence is inconclusive. Is it right, therefore, to take a preventative measure on the chance that there is a problem, without conclusive evidence.
A similar question as to mobile phones. Should we be wary about the long term affects of exposure to radiation given off by mobile phones, without conclusive evidence.
The evidence is inconclusive. Is it right, therefore, to take a preventative measure on the chance that there is a problem, without conclusive evidence.
A similar question as to mobile phones. Should we be wary about the long term affects of exposure to radiation given off by mobile phones, without conclusive evidence.
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No there is no proof therefore it is wrong to take action that affects so many on a mere whim.
How about powerlines?
You can find more solid evidence they cause leukaemia than you can porn causes rapists ban them ?
double blind tests and real world tests show it to be purely psychological, with people reporting to be ill when masts are turned off but they are told they are on.
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There is an interesting synergy between this and the MMR:autism scare of 1998. Summary in Comic form: http://tallguywrites.livejournal.com/148012.html
Ultimately, the findings of Andrew Wakefield perpetuated by the general media led to a decrease in the uptake of the MMR vaccine and a subsequent dramatic increase in the number of deaths from these disease. That is to say, a preventative measure (i dont want my child to get autism, i shall not give it MMR) taken on inconclusive evidence produced a disastrous result.
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I should probably say, i believe the onus ultimately lays with the parent. A public awareness campaign would be far more effective and manageable.
Interestingly, the first generation of children to be around when internet pornography started are soon starting to have children. I wonder what the effects would be on parenting styles between a parent who was exposed to internet pornography as a child and one who was not exposed as a child is.
Ultimately, the findings of Andrew Wakefield perpetuated by the general media led to a decrease in the uptake of the MMR vaccine and a subsequent dramatic increase in the number of deaths from these disease. That is to say, a preventative measure (i dont want my child to get autism, i shall not give it MMR) taken on inconclusive evidence produced a disastrous result.
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I should probably say, i believe the onus ultimately lays with the parent. A public awareness campaign would be far more effective and manageable.
Interestingly, the first generation of children to be around when internet pornography started are soon starting to have children. I wonder what the effects would be on parenting styles between a parent who was exposed to internet pornography as a child and one who was not exposed as a child is.
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