New 6950 ower, upgraded from 4870x2

[Scougar]

some people including you are forgetting the 6000 series are running on non optimized drivers. every time they release a new series people think all the performance will be there in the release/first set of drivers. wrong!!! just remember the past 3000/4000/5000 series they release/first set of drivers didn't being the full performance, amd had to optimize the drivers so we could get the full performance.

oh and the 6950 is very quiet under load.

but there is no guarantee that drivers will substantially increase things.. be careful It is expected, but doesn't mean it 'will' happen.

 

[NathWraith]

amd are in trouble.
They lost the W-lead.
They lost the single GPU crown with 480gtx.
They lost the quiet GPU solution.
And they "might" even lose the dual gpu battle.

It all looked so good in SEP 2009.

I wouldn't say they have lost the quietest GPU crown. The new 6900 series are very good cards.

 

[griffy]

Massive lol.

Edit: Just thinking about it, your opinion chops and changes every other day. What is wrong with you? Every post you spew out is just more meaningless, misleading drivel.

He's not been registered on the forum for long, lots of posts, mostly in the graphics card section. Nearly all of them fanboy rubbish. Pathetic really!?

Glad the 4870x2 to 6950 move was worth it. I'm hoping to have enough cash left at the end of Jan to upgrade my 1gb 4870 to 6950.

I upgraded from a 512mb 4870 to a 6950, you won't regret it

 

[kitch9]

You regard 30 watts as a big difference considering it's the faster card. From the reviews I have seen the 6970 and 570 are evens, wins here and there for both cards.





So they are not contributing much more to power draw than Nvida's memory setup I would guess.

When you think about the 570 I wouldn't be so sure, 950 v 1375MHZ and 3 more chips could make up 50-60watt differential, someone correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[melmac]

Well lots of interesting posts in this thread.

Just a comment on the noise and efficiency, I don't think it's a matter of ATI getting way louder and using tons more power, Its Nvidia finally getting Fermi tamed and getting back to using roughly the same power as AMD cards and around the same noise levels.

And, after playing games for hours last night, I can say that the 6950 isn't loud at all, and it doesn't get hot either. it never went above 70 degrees so the fan wasn't audible over the rest of the system.

About the Heven benchmark, D_brennan, yeah there is a nice little performance jump from the 5850 it seems, unless the .06 Ghz extra of an overclock that I have on my CPU is giving me all that added performance

Is there a benchmark on metro 2033? Anybody know the commands for running it if there is?

And I am like Gareth170, I think there will be a some improvement when they release proper drivers. I think the first set of proper drivers will be the ones where the new CCC and drivers are in the one package, and the drivers will be back into one branch again, not like it is now with an older branch for the 69xx series and the newer branch, 10.12's, for the rest of the cards.

As for AMD not giving the most performance for the least money, well, that's just not true. The 6950 is right up there with the 570 for £50 less? I mean how much more price/performance do you want?

It was after a long hard look at benchmarks and reviews that I picked the 6950. Originally I was deciding between the 6970 and the 570. But the more I looked at reviews, the better the 6950 looked compared to the other 2. All 3 are great cards, don't get me wrong, but if you play at super high resolutions then the 6970 is for you, and if you play at 1920*1080 the 570 probably edges it at the moment, but, I see the 6950 getting better with newer, more demanding games and optimised drivers.

Has anyone done an MLAA test yet on games? Like which games it works well on etc? Would be interested in finding out some more. I am just wondering do I need to turn on AA at all if I am using MLAA that's applied to the whole picture afterwards?

 

[Steves1982]

Has anyone done an MLAA test yet on games? Like which games it works well on etc? Would be interested in finding out some more. I am just wondering do I need to turn on AA at all if I am using MLAA that's applied to the whole picture afterwards?

As far as I'm aware you just tick the MLAA in CCC and disable all AA in game.

Good read here:

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2010/11/01/amd_morphological_aa_performance_iq_review/

 

[melmac]

Thanks, just read that article, pretty good info in it. Seems like I should disable AA before using MLAA. Will try it and see.

 

[gareth170]

but there is no guarantee that drivers will substantially increase things.. be careful It is expected, but doesn't mean it 'will' happen.

i never said it's guaranteed. but going from the past 3000/4000/5000 series they release/first set of drivers didn't being the full performance. we had to wait for optimized drivers.

 

[Skyrocket]

More profit on a 6950 than a 570gtx and if/when the 580gtx ever becomes properly available it will drop in price and face the same situation. AMD will sell several million more 6950's than Nvidia sell 580gtx's, it will be closer on 570gtx's, but again AMD makes more profit per card and WILL sell more £200 cards than Nvidia sell £250-270 cards.

AMD are sitting EXACTLY where they are before.

They haven't lost the performance/W lead, the 6950 beats the 570gtx in some situations, and uses, 80-100W less. If you benchmark Furmark with limits off, its closer, big whoop, in games, its not.

They lost the single gpu crown, they've not realistically had it before. The 4870 spanked the 280gtx in sales and gained mucho market share, and was slower the entire time, the 5870 was NEVER meant to beat a 480gtx.

They will not lose the dual gpu battle.

Number of mentions of a dual gpu card in Nvidia press........ none, number of mentions by Fud, loads, number of mentions of a dual gpu Fermi last year from Nvidia, none, mentions from Fud, loads, did it appear no.

Have AMD mentioned the 6990 in their slides, is it an official card we KNOW is coming, yes, is there a single piece of evidence Nvidia are bringing a dual gpu card that differs from the rumours last year, in source or believability, nope.

Will the 6990 cost less than current £450 580gtx's, probably similar, or close and it will be over 50% ahead. Nvidia, as per ever year for a LONG time won the single gpu card, how much difference has that made to AMD since the 4870.... none, its the strategy.

As for performance/w a single 6850/xfire cards beats any similar card in performance/w and in xfire beats the performance, signficantly, of any Nvidia solution, costs less, and has much higher performance/w.

Are you talking rubbish, as per usual..........


Edit:- uniengine is literally completely irrelevant at the moment, Metro is the/best realistically only even marginally decent game with tesselation, it barely uses it. It was irrelevant last gen, and irrelevant this gen, it might be relevant next gen if more than one "proper" tesselation game comes out.

Lets see, I said that when AMD sucked in uniengine, I'm saying it now they are fantastic in it.

A 389mm2 core should never, ever come as close as it has to beating a 520mm2 core, Nvidia have failed, significantly also, turn off power management in Furmark and you get VERY bad wattage numbers.

Coming from a guy that owns stock and shares in AMD I wouldn't expect anything less then your BS spin.

And your the one that said 6970 is not competing with the 570GTX. Poor guy, you dont know whether your coming or going do you? Go email Charlie he might help you out make sense of the video card world.

AMD's only profitable division at this time was ATI and it looks like they are trying to screw that up too.

 

[Pendu]

I wouldn't expect anything less then your BS spin.

Going by all the posts i have read from you, it takes one to know one eh.

At least drunken master concisely goes through the reasons for why he thinks for example why there is no nVidia dual card, or why AMD makes more profit than nVidia per chip sold. Most of these reasons are very valid and persuasive.

 

[MDPlatts]

+1

 

[Emlyn_Dewar]

Going by all the posts i have read from you, it takes one to know one eh.

At least drunken master concisely goes through the reasons for why he thinks for example why there is no nVidia dual card, or why AMD makes more profit than nVidia per chip sold. Most of these reasons are very valid and persuasive.

Spot on.

 

[gary996]

Going by all the posts i have read from you, it takes one to know one eh.

At least drunken master concisely goes through the reasons for why he thinks for example why there is no nVidia dual card, or why AMD makes more profit than nVidia per chip sold. Most of these reasons are very valid and persuasive.

With you on that one

 

[Scougar]

i never said it's guaranteed. but going from the past 3000/4000/5000 series they release/first set of drivers didn't being the full performance. we had to wait for optimized drivers.

I agree, I 'expect' it will happen, I just don't rely on it happening or won't make recommendations based on it until I see some evidence of improvement in following drivers. (Hope that doesn't sound insulting?)

 

[gareth170]

I agree, I 'expect' it will happen, I just don't rely on it happening or won't make recommendations based on it until I see some evidence of improvement in following drivers. (Hope that doesn't sound insulting?)

i get what u mean mate.

but i never said buy a 6950 based on that...
some people based cpu's/gpu's on how much they oc, which is silly

anyway the 6950 is a great card, even i went from a 5850 to a 6950,

 

[Walter Sobchak]

my 6870 CF results: